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Post by garethl on Apr 30, 2019 18:56:35 GMT
This is a pivotal and directional appointment for the club. One that is moving forward needs to get a manager who has achieved at this level or above. The new manager needs to bring his own energy and vision with him, he cannot be just a manager doing the circuit. This club has only achieved its position through the vision of one man his passion and determination, which was infectious. He bought others on board and sold them a dream, we believed so we followed. Its been damn hard work at this club for the last (enjoyable) 11 years, but to continue that you have to have a dream to put all that effort into. I will be honest and say not a single name mentioned in this thread comes close to filling Dos's boots. Are you sure the new manager needs to be someone who has achieved at this level or above? Do you think Lincoln fans are happy they brought in the Cowleys from below with no Conference track record? Think they'd be pretty ok with how that turned out!! Would someone who has achieved at this level or above remotely be affordable for us? Probably tough if they've had fairly recent success I'd say! Let's give any appointment a fair chance before writing them off because they're not a name that excites you shall we?
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Post by oohaah on Apr 30, 2019 19:18:10 GMT
[/quote]Exactly. A shared sentiment with the HM in Greggs[/quote] You saw the Queen in Greggs???
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Post by os on Apr 30, 2019 19:35:09 GMT
I agree, but its now up to the board to sell that dream, as you say cannot expect a new manager to do what Dos did, but if we are going to move forward or even maintain our present level someone will have to step up to the plate. The board made the decision to bring Dos in, and that was a wonder stroke, and then could sit back and let him lead the show, its now up to them to do that. I am not saying they can't or won't, only that the ball is in their court. Outrageous comment. The board will do their best to make the right appointment using their knowledge and experience, at the budget we can afford. You seem to suggest that this is an exact science and as long as our board shapes up it's a piece of piss. Maybe have a think back to the period between John Rains and Dos for all the well intentioned appointments that didn't exactly go to plan. Hang on whats outrageous about my comment! What I have said, is the ball is now back in the boards court, I have not suggested they have or will get the job wrong. What I have said is that Dos was unique, he lead from the front, and who is saying that is wrong? Not me. Because we are unlikely to find another Dos, some of his energy and enthusiasm now has to be generated elsewhere within the club, it will not just happen, and neither can we rely on another manager to bring a suitcase of dreams with him. We need to carry on from where Dos left off. I don't see what is so bad about my comments!!! (I do get angry when people twist things or try to isolate a couple of words in a sentence).
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Post by davethegrave on Apr 30, 2019 19:38:26 GMT
I can't open this. What does it say then as I can't access the club web site.
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Post by garethl on Apr 30, 2019 20:02:46 GMT
Outrageous comment. The board will do their best to make the right appointment using their knowledge and experience, at the budget we can afford. You seem to suggest that this is an exact science and as long as our board shapes up it's a piece of piss. Maybe have a think back to the period between John Rains and Dos for all the well intentioned appointments that didn't exactly go to plan. Hang on whats outrageous about my comment! What I have said, is the ball is now back in the boards court, I have not suggested they have or will get the job wrong. What I have said is that Dos was unique, he lead from the front, and who is saying that is wrong? Not me. Because we are unlikely to find another Dos, some of his energy and enthusiasm now has to be generated elsewhere within the club, it will not just happen, and neither can we rely on another manager to bring a suitcase of dreams with him. We need to carry on from where Dos left off. I don't see what is so bad about my comments!!! (I do get angry when people twist things or try to isolate a couple of words in a sentence). And no matter what the board do they might get it wrong. Your response is still suggesting somehow that as long as the board show a bit of something we’ll get some sort of outstanding appointment. It doesn’t really work like that. What exactly do you think they are going to do? They’ll interview relevant interested individuals and/or those potentially identified and of course they’ll confirm what we all know to candidates about what a great little club we have. It’s all a perfectly normal process and don’t we just support whoever the board think will be best for the job? Outrageous from your 2 posts which I view as a continuation so sorry may not have been clear: ‘This club has only achieved its position through the vision of one man his passion and determination.’ Find that disrespectful to others working tirelessly for the club. ‘I will be honest and say not a single name mentioned in this thread comes close to filling Dos's boots.’ Find that disrespectful and unnecessary. We all know he is a hard act to follow. Who exactly would satisfy you?
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Post by sallycat on Apr 30, 2019 20:14:28 GMT
I can't open this. What does it say then as I can't access the club web site. Nothing much Dave - just that the board have a shortlist they're happy with and are in the process of making a decision. I think it was just put up to reassure us that progress is being made on that front.
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Post by davethegrave on Apr 30, 2019 20:23:03 GMT
I can't open this. What does it say then as I can't access the club web site. Nothing much Dave - just that the board have a shortlist they're happy with and are in the process of making a decision. I think it was just put up to reassure us that progress is being made on that front. Thanks. I thought by peoples reactions that there were some names.
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Post by os on Apr 30, 2019 20:30:10 GMT
Hang on whats outrageous about my comment! What I have said, is the ball is now back in the boards court, I have not suggested they have or will get the job wrong. What I have said is that Dos was unique, he lead from the front, and who is saying that is wrong? Not me. Because we are unlikely to find another Dos, some of his energy and enthusiasm now has to be generated elsewhere within the club, it will not just happen, and neither can we rely on another manager to bring a suitcase of dreams with him. We need to carry on from where Dos left off. I don't see what is so bad about my comments!!! (I do get angry when people twist things or try to isolate a couple of words in a sentence). And no matter what the board do they might get it wrong. Your response is still suggesting somehow that as long as the board show a bit of something we’ll get some sort of outstanding appointment. It doesn’t really work like that. What exactly do you think they are going to do? They’ll interview relevant interested individuals and/or those potentially identified and of course they’ll confirm what we all know to candidates about what a great little club we have. It’s all a perfectly normal process and don’t we just support whoever the board think will be best for the job? Outrageous from your 2 posts which I view as a continuation so sorry may not have been clear: ‘This club has only achieved its position through the vision of one man his passion and determination.’ Find that disrespectful to others working tirelessly for the club. ‘I will be honest and say not a single name mentioned in this thread comes close to filling Dos's boots.’ Find that disrespectful and unnecessary. We all know he is a hard act to follow. Who exactly would satisfy you? Boards often make wrong choices, but that is not the point I am making. As a club you need goals, you need ambitions, and most of all you need to sell those to your fans and importantly your advertisers and sponsors. That message may now have to be generated elsewhere, as said cannot expect a new manager to bring a suitcase of dreams, and build them, that energy, ethos etc has to come from the heart of the club. The 1st part of that message will come with the appointment of the new manager.
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Post by sallycat on Apr 30, 2019 20:47:40 GMT
I think what you're saying is that Dos is a larger than life character who brims with charisma and is brilliant at motivating those around him, coming up with amazing ideas and making them come to fruition. That's the bit that will be hard to replace.
But we're lucky there. We have loads of brilliant volunteers who have that same passion and enthusiasm (now I have a mental image of Adrian doing a Strikers are Key draw). Maybe some people's potential has been overshadowed a bit in recent years because all eyes were on Dos at times, but maybe we needn't worry. If we all work hard can't we provide some of that passion and enthusiasm ourselves, together, rather than sitting back and wishing the club could find someone to do it for us? Wouldn't it be a great tribute to Dos if we all banded together to carry on where he left off with his bright ideas and determination to make them work. Obviously we don't all have the resources and inside knowledge and relationship with the board that he had but we do have so much love for SUFC and we still have a lot of awesome people amongst us.
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Post by oohaah on May 1, 2019 6:52:05 GMT
Well said, The Cat.
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Post by oldman on May 1, 2019 7:12:31 GMT
Think you should apply Sallycat
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Post by sallycat on May 1, 2019 7:47:25 GMT
Well I certainly couldn't manage a football team but each and every one of us has strengths somewhere!
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Post by kpinwp on May 1, 2019 11:35:23 GMT
One thing we could all try to do next season is to not, instantly, get on the new manager's case everytime some little thing goes askew, in a 'what Dos would have done' manner. Because, unless we get off to an absolute flyer, we could waste a lot of time here speculating on the unobtainable and the past.
Paul Doswell was a great manager for us, but not every single thing he did went right. Let's give the new guy some proper breathing space.
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Post by Andy K on May 1, 2019 12:09:34 GMT
One thing we could all try to do next season is to not, instantly, get on the new manager's case everytime some little thing goes askew, in a 'what Dos would have done' manner. Because, unless we get off to an absolute flyer, we could waste a lot of time here speculating on the unobtainable and the past. Paul Doswell was a great manager for us, but not every single thing he did went right. Let's give the new guy some proper breathing space. You're right. Dos was superb but he had his faults. I'll be looking forward to not giving away 6 points to Maidenhead next season for example. Dos has gone and looking back won't help at all. But we need to have confidence in whoever takes over. But there will be some who will go for them from day one. Not because it's not Dos, more because the expectations have yet to be made realistic. We've got no idea who the new manager is and we've got no idea what the squad will be next season. If fact we know nothing, so going on that assumption I think the maximum expectation at this level is survival in this league. No cup runs. Just survival. If we get the right person for the job then that expectation will be me and possibly exceeded.
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Post by sol on May 1, 2019 12:59:30 GMT
I would go with Matt Gray and either JC or CE as player assistant.
Matt has been part of the coaching staff for 6 months and he was bought to the club by Paul D and for me it has a feeling of the brilliant Liverpool boot room of the 70’s, 80’s.
Shankly to Paisley to Fagan and so on (Dalglish).
JC & CE are the leaders player wise in the dressing room and again looking to the future I think it would be great to get them involved in the coaching part too.
Where have all the player/managers gone (I used to love seeing that).
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