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Post by Del on May 4, 2019 16:47:12 GMT
McQueen was a signing from Ebbsfleet and he was getting over a bad injury.Never that impressive when he came on but he had a great burst of speed.His goals however were scored at a lower level. Dobson, as has been pointed out,had a premier league left foot and little else. Ayunga was very good on the ball ,would take players on and scored a couple beautiful goals.What i did notice about him was that he slowed play down when on the ball and attacking momentum was lost. Lastly Ross Worner. Excellent goalkeeper and great servant to the club.Very sorry to see him go but i'm sure he will have no trouble finding a suitable club. Looking forward to seeing who we bring in and hopefully these players will be better than those released or transfer listed. Over to you Matt Gray !
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Post by tonyd on May 4, 2019 17:08:56 GMT
Surprised about Ayunga as I thought he was the best of the players with potential. Given our lack of creativity and goal scoring, the fact that neither McQueen or Taylor were considered good enough for the team this season speaks volumes. We've had one year of having two excellent goalkeepers, it obviously wasn't going to last.
I thought that this was our worst season for recruitment, with a number of players coming in who, frankly, didn't look good enough. Matt Gray won't have to do much to better it this season. And we've still ot the kernel of a great side - Butler, Bennett, Collins, Eastmond, Davis, Bolarinwa, Deacon etc.
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Post by surreyu on May 4, 2019 17:09:33 GMT
Hoping for some additions soon, we must be sitting on about 5 or so players at the moment. Bit worried about today’s statement
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Post by halftimet on May 4, 2019 17:16:12 GMT
No surprises for me. Ayunga was just not good enough. Did not score goals and could not head the ball. Loaned out and permanentl on the bench at the end of the season until we were really short of players. I like Taylor but he obviously did not figure in Dos plans. We can only have one keeper. We had two because unfortunately Ross had a long term injurry. We had always bought in loan keepers previously. Dobson not good enough. Lost possession too many times. Marking of opposition players poor. McQueen unfortunately too lightweight.
Even without Bailey we have many midfield players if Brown comes back from injury or not. Bardon has done well. Could Tom B be lined up for right back and Dale Bennett centre back alongside Jamie? I personally think we need a target man and a left back not much more.
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Post by surreyu on May 4, 2019 17:20:57 GMT
McQueen must have played less than 90 minutes for us as he recovered from his ACL, sent out on loan to Dartford to get fit for next season. How people have formed an opinion on him in that little amount of time is beyond me. He was on his way to the EFL before his injury and now not good enough for us? Bit worrying that we have 2 players with the same injury on contracts if that’s the amount of time they’ll get given.
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Post by Andy K on May 4, 2019 17:47:50 GMT
Lots of presumptions already here. Is MG being paid and how much? We don't know. Lots of love here for Jonah and Josh here. But let's be honest. They've both probably not made the progress they should have made in their time contracted with us. Seemed like Jonah's best period was when he was out on loan and Josh had 2 years and the rumour from Maidstone was he underperformed in a weak side and I would expect Simon Walton would have reported back on that. They may have potential but it seems that Sutton isn't the right fit for them. And you go on to make presumptions about Jonah and Josh, some of it based on rumours and your expectations. It would be a surprise to hear Matt isn’t getting paid and also if he is a bigger surprise if it is not coming out of the playing budget. Even then we (quite rightly) will not know how much. Dearie me. Any excuse right? You not worked out that I've said the same as you re Matt being paid or not? And you don't actually seem to know what a presumption means. So don't bother.
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Post by garethl on May 4, 2019 18:21:11 GMT
I was hoping McQueen would get a pre season and a proper look. And I'm disappointed we didn't give Jonah a run of games at the back end of the season as a forward to really give him a decent chance. He wasn't signed as a left midfielder and wasn't a left midfielder. I would have liked to see him get the ball more up top into feet. However Matt has obviously seen enough and made his own decisions. He gets the benefit of seeing training as well.
Worner - great servant, excellent goalkeeper. He'll be a brilliant signing for someone else.
Agree Dobson not good enough, showed occasional glimpses and can strike a good ball but ultimately I think the level below is probably his limit. I mentioned on Josh on another thread (or maybe earlier in this one), whilst I liked him as a player, I'm not sure we saw enough end product. That said a talent and I wish him well. When he first joined he was attracting higher level attention so let's hope for his sake he can develop and go on to better things (just not against us please).
Can't see us generating much in the way of transfer fees here. Perhaps a sell on for Taylor and Jonah would be prudent even if no money changes hands.
I'm very relaxed generally about the players and number of players that have departed. We still have a good core and it is very normal at this level and was for most years under Dos too. A couple of comments jumping the gun I think with any worrying on budget and outgoing players. We will obviously be clearing out a fair amount of our outflows here so lots of space for new blood and Matt will undoubtedly have names in mind (and already be talking to them). He wouldn't let contracted players go if he didn't feel he has better ones to come in.
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Post by Amber Aleman on May 4, 2019 20:32:26 GMT
Contrubutions to this thread have brought out the weaknesses in the 18/19 squad: ageing and hence injury-prone defenders and forwards who couldn't find the net enough. These issues became more evident as the season progressed. That the team still managed to do finish tenth is a tribute to the hard graft, perseverance and adaptability of the players. But we did rather limp over the finishing line.
Any manager looking ahead to next season would have to take firm action to fix those inadequacies. To be fair to MG, he's already shown that he's unafraid to grasp nettles. He'll be aware that some of the departures will be unpopular with some fans, but he now has the opportunity to put his own stamp on the squad. He'll also know that Sutton are in an unforgiving league, and that if the side don't get off to a decent start next August then his doubters will soon be on his back. Dos is a very hard act to follow, and it takes courage to step into his shoes.
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Post by os on May 4, 2019 22:22:28 GMT
I would have likes to see Jonah stay because I think he has potential, not so sure about Gime myself?
Dobson was not the worst player we have seen, but I can see why he is going.
When you look at:
Butler, Bennett, Collins, Eastmond, Davis, Bolarinwa, Deacon
You just wonder if Matt fancies that wingback system with Deacon or Bolly? I can see Davis and Eastie supplying grit in front of the backs and Beauts the play maker. With Dylan retained, and Tommy Wright up front, I reckon we need a CB and another striker, and maybe a wide player to us the basis of something decent??
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Post by davethegrave on May 5, 2019 20:09:09 GMT
To make the wing backs work effectively you really need three centre backs.
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Post by sol on May 5, 2019 20:17:46 GMT
To make the wing backs work effectively you really need three centre backs. Not really. You need a midfielder who understands when the two full backs advance over the half way line so the midfielder sits deep. Different level of footballer but that’s what PEP does @city with his midfielder usually Fernandinho.
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Post by garethl on May 5, 2019 20:20:47 GMT
Probably a little soon to be talking favoured shape given we don’t know half the team/squad yet. All I would say is it would be a great waste to play Deacon with half an eye on defensive duties.
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Post by os on May 5, 2019 20:24:56 GMT
To make the wing backs work effectively you really need three centre backs. Not really. You need a midfielder who understands when the two full backs advance over the half way line so the midfielder sits deep. Different level of footballer but that’s what PEP does @city with his midfielder usually Fernandinho. I see Gareth's post above but it wasn't a waste when Wishy used to play that role. As for 1 in front I think Eastie has shown he could play that role and drop back into the center to make an extra CB when needed. Although we still need to replace Cloughie, so will need to strengthen at the back with Aswad and Becks gone?
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Post by garethl on May 6, 2019 15:23:10 GMT
Obviously we’ll need some defenders! We’re not going to just have the Skip, Bennett and a couple of guys potentially coming through from the academy!
I don’t recall Wishart ever playing wing back tbh. But I don’t have the best memory. I thought his best spell for us was as a left back, albeit one who got forward.
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Post by davethegrave on May 6, 2019 17:33:51 GMT
Obviously we’ll need some defenders! We’re not going to just have the Skip, Bennett and a couple of guys potentially coming through from the academy! I don’t recall Wishart ever playing wing back tbh. But I don’t have the best memory. I thought his best spell for us was as a left back, albeit one who got forward. Surely that is a wing back. How else would you define it? Also he occasionally played left midfield. I know he faded a bit but I'd like to see him back again, again.
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