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Post by baboonfish on Sept 24, 2019 23:01:16 GMT
we gradually got pegged back. This is a repetitive theme, failure to find the out ball has seen us concede goals time and time again. I don't blame the defense at all, they are simply under far too much pressure. On Saturday we got away with it because Chesterfield were terrible, and we got 2 quick goals similar to that of Dag tonight, the game has then gone. The lack of options forces you into the long ball and back it comes at you. Our problem is in front of the back 4, no one who is available for the ball out and who can hold it up to let players get forward. Our most successful teams have had good players in that holding position, someone who can play with their back to goal. I would trade any winger for a good holding player because without one you will never get out, and you need to play 8ft giants and live off long balls. What I wouldn't give for another Nick Bailey.. We have an excellent holding mid in barden, but it's true he's not a recycling possession and spraying passes kind of player, more a destructive type. That's fine as those sort of anchor men who can do what you say are very rare at this level. However, the out ball then becomes a longer ball to a strong striker who can hold up the ball and link others (we don't have one), or into the channels, which is our go to. It works against teams who leave space such as Chesterfield, or in a counter attacking away set up but it's a waste of time against teams who sit deep, like almost every team does on the road, because the pass has to be literally inch perfect and perfectly anticipated. We badly need a striker who can hold up the ball. Jarvis is a very decent player and will score goals but his hold up play is poor. Wright has the touch but not the physicality, dundo has the physicality but not the touch. Assuming such a striker can't be found the only option at home is to somehow cut out the mistakes and be more careful in possession because when we build patiently we look decent.
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Post by lupins1 on Sept 24, 2019 23:12:41 GMT
Daggers fan here. A couple of genuine questions. Firstly finance aside what are your views on your pitch? To me it just isnt quite football. I have yet to see a good game on it Secondly do you always play like that? Patient patient patient and no plan B. It was crying out for some tempo and gung ho
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Post by mca on Sept 25, 2019 4:32:58 GMT
Daggers fan here. A couple of genuine questions. Firstly finance aside what are your views on your pitch? To me it just isnt quite football. I have yet to see a good game on it Secondly do you always play like that? Patient patient patient and no plan B. It was crying out for some tempo and gung ho the fact the game was played in perfect conditions after yesterday's biblical rain says everything. It's a financial live saver so for me outweighs any old fashioned wishes for a muddy tear up. The bounce is slightly different, a bit slower than a wet grass pitch, but every pitch is different eh. As for the team, new manager, new squad, a few problems.
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Post by Big Al on Sept 25, 2019 6:36:42 GMT
This was a poor performance without, I think, a single shot on target. The crowd assertion that their goalkeeper was 'sh*t' could not ever be tested as he never had a save to make. However my belief is that we do have the players to survive and thrive at this level but I am increasingly concerned about the strategic and tactical decisions being taken by the management team, especially in our home fixtures. The team selection and formation has been well covered elsewhere in this thread but to bring two players on as late as the last five minutes when 0-2 down at home seems a good example of befuddled thinking and inability to try to change direction.
Over a quarter of the season's games in is not too early to judge and one would only have to look at the change over the last 2-3 years to assess the general course of direction. Results heading the wrong way, performances generally dropping off, obvious gulf in class and tactical/ strategic awareness and experience between previous and current management team, season ticket sales and attendances seemingly dramatically down and general sense of despondency seeping through spectators and fans. Something needs to change....
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Post by lupins1 on Sept 25, 2019 6:41:03 GMT
Daggers fan here. A couple of genuine questions. Firstly finance aside what are your views on your pitch? To me it just isnt quite football. I have yet to see a good game on it Secondly do you always play like that? Patient patient patient and no plan B. It was crying out for some tempo and gung ho the fact the game was played in perfect conditions after yesterday's biblical rain says everything. It's a financial live saver so for me outweighs any old fashioned wishes for a muddy tear up. The bounce is slightly different, a bit slower than a wet grass pitch, but every pitch is different eh. As for the team, new manager, new squad, a few problems.
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Post by jr on Sept 25, 2019 7:07:45 GMT
Daggers fan here. A couple of genuine questions. Firstly finance aside what are your views on your pitch? To me it just isnt quite football. I have yet to see a good game on it Secondly do you always play like that? Patient patient patient and no plan B. It was crying out for some tempo and gung ho So you didn't think last night was a good game? I thought it was an excellent game of football with both teams trying to play fast moving football. Daggers were impressive both going forward and at the back, the best side I've seen this season. And we matched them for the lost part. We just couldn't get the quality required in front of goal. 2 poor defensive errors cost us and you just can't do that against sides of Dagenham's quality. As for the pitch, it's fine. If we didn't have it last night's game would have been off.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Sept 25, 2019 7:23:05 GMT
D&R played with a high back line in the first half, a risky tactic, but we failed to exploit the space in their half of the pitch. It did allow them to press our defence, and that eventually forced the errors that led to the goals. In the second half, with a two-goal cushion, they had no need to press and so sat back and absorbed the pressure. Despite some lively build-up play, we were simply unable to break them down.
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Post by tonyd on Sept 25, 2019 7:25:53 GMT
Over a quarter of the season's games in is not too early to judge and one would only have to look at the change over the last 2-3 years to assess the general course of direction. Results heading the wrong way, performances generally dropping off, obvious gulf in class and tactical/ strategic awareness and experience between previous and current management team, season ticket sales and attendances seemingly dramatically down and general sense of despondency seeping through spectators and fans. Something needs to change.... One thing that needs to change is that supporters need to get a reality check. The change in management team has lead to a loss of financial support and increase in expenses. We were in a false position in not having to pay for management and coaching staff and it was inevitable that that could not go on forever. The high level of season ticket sales was driven by the FA Cup run - I know because I sold quite a few half-season tickets to Wimbledon fans keen to get a ticket for the cup game! That won’t change until we get another cup run. The reality is that for a debt free club without a sugar daddy we are punching above our weight. I’m afraid the newer fans will have to get used to it.
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Post by halftimet on Sept 25, 2019 7:47:23 GMT
Still mulling over the game yesterday. I wonder if we will ever see Kearney,Tucson Firth or Wyatt again. The latter seems to have been a panic signing for what turned out to be one game as he is not even on the bench. Similarly Reid who could have replaced and rested an innefectiive Ajiboye 20 minutes earlier does not seem to have the confidence of the Manager. Currently it seems no game changers on the bench.
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Post by garethl on Sept 25, 2019 8:03:50 GMT
Just my 2nd look at the side due to various reasons.
Started well with Ajiboye looking a threat down the right. Thought at the time Tommy’s early chance not taken may be one we regret badly and it proved the case.
Like others baffled at the late nature of the subs. Dagenham had cigars out 2nd half just sitting behind the ball completely untroubled and in control. Any change would have been worth a go at 60 or even 70 minutes as it was obvious they were coping easily with our possession. A number of things could have been tried (with nothing to lose) - Dundas offering something more physical, moving Boly up and maybe playing Ajiboye more centrally. Plenty of things that may have made no difference but at least a chance of something happening as opposed to nil chance with status quo.
It’s not easy to break down sides when they stick 11 behind the ball and we’ll probably play worse. Dagenham look like a strong side and are on a good run so credit to them. They didn’t actually do much to win the game it has to be said and created very little in the 1st half themselves. I don’t think panic stations needed. We have the foundations of a reasonable outfit. Clearly we do need to come up with a way of playing on the front foot at home and finding a method to regularly trouble sides and score goals.
A very rare poor game for the skip I thought. 2nd goal was game over and an absolute killer.
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Post by ganderpoke on Sept 25, 2019 8:41:14 GMT
Dobson may have been in acres of space when he received the ball for their second goal but he beat his man, cut in and put the ball away nicely. Apart from Ajiboye getting down the line and crossing (which most sides nullify after the first ten to fifteen minutes) we seem incapable of producing something similar. All I saw Easty and Beauts doing yesterday was pinging balls sideways or backwards and then out to the wings where almost all the crosses were repelled by Daggers defence. We really lack midfielders who take people on the middle of the park, beat them and then either shoot or play in a forward. We have seen examples of this at GGL from Maidenhead and Notts County but not from us. Obviously we have budget constraints to contend with but maybe a short term loan signing might help.
As for this incessant need from Matt to bring on Dundo every game, I'm afraid I really can't understand how this is supposed to help.
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Post by Andy K on Sept 25, 2019 9:21:45 GMT
We lost at home to a side on a 9 game unbeaten run, in form. TonyD is spot on. We lost because of 2 defensive mistakes and missing a couple of opportunities at the other end, especially in the first few minutes. Wasn't a poor performance by any means and incomparable to what we were forced to watch against Maidenhead a few weeks back.
To quote JR "I've seen us play worse and win".
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Post by halftimet on Sept 25, 2019 9:54:06 GMT
We lost at home to a side on a 9 game unbeaten run, in form. TonyD is spot on. We lost because of 2 defensive mistakes and missing a couple of opportunities at the other end, especially in the first few minutes. Wasn't a poor performance by any means and incomparable to what we were forced to watch against Maidenhead a few weeks back. To quote JR "I've seen us play worse and win". "I've seen us play worse and win" You can't win if you don't have a shot or header on target unless of course you pin your hopes on deflections.
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Post by markf on Sept 25, 2019 10:27:54 GMT
For all the analysis and coaching tips on here - and why has pinewalker not been pulled up for using the description "incompetent" in the same way dave the grave has on another thread; equally as crass in my book? - last night's defeat was down to defensive errors in the closing stages of a vibrant first half. Tom B, not a natural defender gave away a free-kick and no one picked up the scorer when the ball was delivered. The second goal had its origins in the D&R defensive last third. A poor header; they cleared the ball; another, uncharacteristically in this case, poor header and James Dobson was set free to provide the sort of finish that he rarely looked capable of in a Sutton shirt last season (except from a dead ball).
Second half two banks of four remained steadfast against a tide of U's possession with Tom B going closest following a cleared set piece. U's best chance had arrived early in the match with another fine run and cross from David A that Tommy W didn't really connect with. After that they snuffed out the right wing threat that has been U's best outlet recently and going through the middle U's came up against Kenny Clark and co who were very solid. Like U's win on the opening day, a classic away performance. D&R's first points at GGL since they amalgamated with the rest of Essex/East London's former Isthmian clubs (Barking aside).
Haven't listened to Matt G yet but the team was crying out for Omar B to give Clark a bit of a game. He needs to be put under pressure and that is not really Tommy W or Aaron J's game - not in the circumstances the team found itself in the second half where winning first ball (or making the winning of it by the defence very difficult) was vital to being able to get the second too. Sadly, Omar was nowhere to be seen.
Certainly can't fault the effort from the team last night but errors were severely punished.
Daggers are now unbeaten in nine and probably up there with Notts County as the best side U's have faced this season. The new backing they secured early last season is beginning to bear fruit and while they weren't spectacular they did a decent job last night.
Dobson has now scored as many goals against us in three matches in under a year than he scored for U's in half a season (one of them a penalty). Perhaps a full pre-season with a NL club has raised his fitness levels because he looked more able to cope last night than he did for U's. Or maybe playing in a team on a fine run is just easier than the struggling one he was in from January.
Ref missed a bit but not a lot and kept his cards in his pocket. The lino on the rec side, however, was, to quote pw, "incompetent".
Harrogate next, boosted by a late winner in their Yorkshire derby last night. Hope those using the train can get through the cycling crowds with not too much trouble.
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Post by medwaysider on Sept 25, 2019 10:40:02 GMT
HTFC are (on their official website) advising people to get to the turnstiles earlier than they usually would as they anticipate congestion due to the cycling. I think those arriving by train should be fine but could be a bit of a nightmare for anyone driving. In fact it could be worth parking a station down the line and taking it from there.
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