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Post by baboonfish on Oct 20, 2019 11:27:09 GMT
We created enough chances to win the game comfortably, if Jarvis had scored his two sitters and we had won, 3-0 would we have been good enough then? Last season we got trounced 3-0 at spennymoor and there was barely an after 8 mint between ourselves and wealdstone or in two games against midtable slough. I don't recall anyone calling for Dos's head as a result of any of that, so the lower league factor is irrelevant here.
Whilst I don't agree with you there I do agree Tuesday becomes massive. How Matt and the team respond could shape our season.
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Oct 20, 2019 11:49:00 GMT
We created enough chances to win the game comfortably, if Jarvis had scored his two sitters and we had won, 3-0 would we have been good enough then? Last season we got trounced 3-0 at spennymoor and there was barely an after 8 mint between ourselves and wealdstone or in two games against midtable slough. I don't recall anyone calling for Dos's head as a result of any of that, so the lower league factor is irrelevant here. Whilst I don't agree with you there I do agree Tuesday becomes massive. How Matt and the team respond could shape our season. Dos was more than just a Manager, he wasn’t judged on results alone. He had also won us Promotion, taken us to the 5th round against Arsenal, he had easily earned the odd slip. Matt has none of this. At 1-0 we took off a striker and brought on a defensive midfielder, inviting pressure and certainly in some of our eyes the inevitable equaliser. We had two attacking players on the bench, Dundas who would have surely been the best option as someone who can hold up the ball and defend from the front, or Bola, who can do an attacking job. Matt is a paid Manager and therefore by some (maybe not all) will be judged on results. Also Billericay had plenty of chances so to suggest we should have scored some of our chances it would be remiss to suggest they shouldn’t have scored some of theirs. Not a great finishing performance from either side, but this was a side a division below us, a side we should be beating. We needed a win.
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Post by Del on Oct 20, 2019 12:19:30 GMT
Matt is not to blame for our poor shooting. Sometimes i wish that Tony would ask more pertinent questions in the after match interview so that we as fans could understand the managers way of thinking as obviously some of his decisions are baffling us. Anyway on Thursday it will gives us a chance to put some of our points of view across and visa versa but lets be respectful at all times.
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Post by scorpioeyes on Oct 20, 2019 13:13:03 GMT
I was just thinking that. Tony never asks searching questions. Is he frightened of upsetting MG?
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Post by sol on Oct 20, 2019 13:29:39 GMT
I was just thinking that. Tony never asks searching questions. Is he frightened of upsetting MG? To respond on Tony’s behalf.... It’s very difficult to go beyond and ask difficult questions when you have to build a relationship with the manager on a weekly basis. Tony also talks to Matt (he did so with Paul D) on a weekly basis for the match day programme. To illustrate using myself as an example: I worked at BBC Southampton for a few seasons and interviewed Harry Redknapp on a regular basis - your job was to build a relationship and trust with the manager and very occasionally the odd difficult question (Harry had a right pop at me once - I’ll tell that story another time). Now I work on the national circuit I find it so much easier to ask searching questions post match to managers because I might not see them again for a few months or even until next season. So you can ask difficult questions and not concern yourself with building relationships. Hope that explanation helps a touch.
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Post by amberinexile on Oct 20, 2019 13:55:29 GMT
I was just thinking that. Tony never asks searching questions. Is he frightened of upsetting MG? To respond on Tony’s behalf.... It’s very difficult to go beyond and ask difficult questions when you have to build a relationship with the manager on a weekly basis. Tony also talks to Matt (he did so with Paul D) on a weekly basis for the match day programme. To illustrate using myself as an example: I worked at BBC Southampton for a few seasons and interviewed Harry Redknapp on a regular basis - your job was to build a relationship and trust with the manager and very occasionally the odd difficult question (Harry had a right pop at me once - I’ll tell that story another time). Now I work on the national circuit I find it so much easier to ask searching questions post match to managers because I might not see them again for a few months or even until next season. So you can ask difficult questions and not concern yourself with building relationships. Hope that explanation helps a touch.
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Post by amberinexile on Oct 20, 2019 14:01:56 GMT
As for the above, sort of, re: 'explanation'. I too had the dubious pleasure of interviewing Mr Redknapp on a regular basis, and he was putty in the hands compared to some over the last 24 years! The trick with a regular interview is to play the devil's advocate and say: 'A lot of fans think..' 'or there is a school of thought etc...' and pose the tough question. One must always ask searching questions. Most managers understand this if asked professionally and without an agenda. After all, it's doing one's job, eh? The interviewer can always point to the good times when the questions reflect great choices, ideas, and results.
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Post by Andy K on Oct 20, 2019 14:28:30 GMT
I was just thinking that. Tony never asks searching questions. Is he frightened of upsetting MG? A Sutton press sec asking the Sutton manager questions after a game. Just think about for a minute. Its called brand management.
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Post by davethegrave on Oct 20, 2019 15:52:35 GMT
Thanks again for your indefatigable positivity and enthusiasm. Always appreciated. I realise that being Multi-lingual you probably don't have a grasp of any of them. What I was saying was that with the way they're playing at the moment and that you have to pay, many season ticket holders wouldn't turn up. I was there though.I don't know what the actual attendance was. Was it announced?
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Post by davethegrave on Oct 20, 2019 15:59:03 GMT
TW was also the one who ran onto our long balls pumped over the top of their defence and created the goal scoring chances for his colleagues.... who missed them I merely pose the question, what player have got we who knows how to score in break away situations? We don't get breakaways because we bring everybody back. It's a stupid tactic. If we'd left someone up at the end do you think their goalie would've gone up? No! And as previously mentioned they left 2 up at most corners they were defending meaning we had to leave 3 back. Just unbelievably naive.
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Post by davethegrave on Oct 20, 2019 16:02:44 GMT
Potters Bar scored last min equaliser against Barnet to earn a replay. Billericay score one to earn a replay. We're in the draw for the next round. That's all that matters today. The rest is smoke and mirrors until that game is done. We win that game we will have a bit more to play with budget wise. What a ridiculous comment! We should have been in the draw as winners but now the way we're playing there's a good chance we'll be in the draw but get knocked out on Tuesday.
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Post by Andy K on Oct 20, 2019 16:50:20 GMT
Potters Bar scored last min equaliser against Barnet to earn a replay. Billericay score one to earn a replay. We're in the draw for the next round. That's all that matters today. The rest is smoke and mirrors until that game is done. We win that game we will have a bit more to play with budget wise. What a ridiculous comment! We should have been in the draw as winners but now the way we're playing there's a good chance we'll be in the draw but get knocked out on Tuesday. Well it's more than a good chance we will be in the draw because...erm we are in the draw. The chance of us being knocked out on Tuesday hasn't really changed at all. We're playing the same team we did on Saturday. The only difference is it is at their place and to be honest overall we've possibly looked more convincing away from home so far this season. Its hardly ridiculous to say after the game last night that still being in is all that matters on that specific day. Those of us with long memories remember a poor home draw v Walton and Hersham which was the start of our most famous cup run of the 20th century. By 10pm on Tues night we could end up ignoring most of this thread as we could be through to the first round. No one knows and to predict is folly at the moment.
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Post by markf on Oct 20, 2019 17:22:35 GMT
The FA Cup, no respector of league position, past triumphs or the form guide. A number on here have mentioned that we failed to defeat a team from a lower league, it happened last year too after Slough. One question? If we should have the right to beat the lower league side how is it this club has managed to twice reach the fourth round and more famously, the fifth? Just read my first sentence and that will explain a lot.
Billericay are no mugs. They have some very experienced players in their squad and were confident enough to knock the ball around before looking for the wings. In Parkes they have a fine striker of a football as we have seen over recent years to our cost and he is also a skilled deliverer of the dead ball. But none of them excelled in the manner that Alan Julian did. He stuffed that first half song right back down the singers' (and the rest of ours) throats with a performance that would surely rate a 10 if the 'Ricay local paper bothers to do such a thing. Bad enough he made some top class saves, although a couple of our efforts should have tested him more, but scoring the last minute equaliser? Talk about rub it in. Apparently, he had his eyes closed when he headed it and that might explain the slightly late raction he gave to scoring. AJ had a less than happy time at GGL, compounded by one of the most horrendous errors I have seen from a Sutton 'keeper when playing at Hereford. Fortunately we went onto win that tie. Yesterday he was outstanding, in both boxes.
That he was given the opportunity to head home from the set piece though must arrive at the ownership of yesterday's ref. We've had him before and he hasn't been great but this performance plumbed the depths that we have visited so often in the NL. Back pass? Of course it was. It was a blatant touch back to the 'keeper. Apparently the assessor agreed with the ref which perhaps explains why officiating in this country his heading in a downward spiral each season that goes by because if the guy who's meant to be providing a critic of the official can't see it when is the bloke on the pitch going to learn anything? Or is it the old boys network demonstrating their resistance to common sense over sticking together? I have a wealth of experience of how it works and how the ranks close to protect even when the evidence against is compelling.
It won't change. VAR hasn't changed anything as we have seen today in the first half at Old Trafford. Clear and obvious errors are allowed to stand. The idea of VAR is fine but not under the current PGMOA regime and if they can't get it right at the top level with the help of TV evidence what chance Tier 5?
It wasn't the only error from the ref yesterday. He could have sent off Harry B although the guy's recovery from what looked like a devastating ankle injury was remarkable so perhaps the yellow was enough. 'Ricay had two penalty shouts the second off a raised arm although the initial contact may have been off the body which often negates the second touch. He definitely had it in for Omar B though and while he was no angel some of the challenges he was penalised for were nothing as were a number of the soft free-kicks he gave throughout. Incompetence personified.
For U's that equaliser must have been devastating but 1-0 is a precarious lead and failure not to take one of umpteen opportunites to extend it means an unwelcome midwek visit to darkest Essex. At least we will get to see what Tamplin's money has done for New Lodge.The visitors had their opportunities too the most glaring being that late free header.
As for the calls for Matt G (again) to be replaced I don't recall our victories over Wimbledon and Leeds costing Ardley and Monk their jobs. Yes, it was a massive disappointment to not win and in the manner that the result was determined (ironic when you consider who was in goal for us yesterday) but we go again and hope Ricay are as open as they were yesterday and this time U's take full advantage, Alan Julian may have other ideas though.
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Oct 20, 2019 17:59:31 GMT
Mark, I don’t for one second believe those of us who feel Matt isn’t up to the job have made that decision based on one game.
The rest of this post isn’t aimed at you, just my thoughts.
Performance wise it was quite good, IF we could score. They also had chances.
For me it was about the result yesterday, win, not draw, not lose.
We have employed an inexperienced manager (at managing) and I believe his lack of experience or naivety is clear to see.
Not leaving players up when defending corners or set pieces even though we have conceded from quite a few, would suggest to me we are allowing the oppo to load our box. I’m not saying Julian wouldn’t have gone up as “normally” the keeper does but it pins other players back. Allowing us to pick up players better.
Bringing on a defensive player for a striker at 1-0 with not long left invites pressure.
Playing one up front in many games and seeing it not working and still playing one up front.
Nothing ever seems to be his fault. Well sorry but you have to earn that right.
For me this experiment has run its course. Winning Tuesday is the minimum requirement, but won’t change my mind, I still don’t want to see us in a relation struggle which I fear we are heading to and therefore would like to see him replaced.
Of course I will have no choice if he is our manager in 2 games, 5 games or 50 games. Of course I hope it clicks for him and we go on a winning run because I support Sutton United, but that doesn’t mean I need to blindly support the Manager. I’ve wanted previous Managers out and I’m sure I will also want future Managers out at some point. I would rather have Managers that I’m disappointed when they go.
Now I’m going to try and preempt a couple of points.
No I do not know who the ideal replacement is, I don’t care about the other teams in our league or around us, I was not privy to the applications we received but I would base my selection on someone that applies for the position, with experience at this level or possibly even lower.
Unfortunately I’m not available Thursday, I was already in 2 minds if I would go, but my plans have changed and I have somewhere else I need to be.
I fully appreciate not everyone will agree with my feelings, some may feel it is too early, others may have had their minds changed from yesterday’s result, that is the beauty of being a football fan.
I may be there Tuesday, I will be there Saturday and I will be at Barrow supporting the team. Yesterday I openly my expressed my displeasure at Matt after the equaliser, not at the players.
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Post by davethegrave on Oct 20, 2019 18:36:18 GMT
I agree Nick. We know he's inexperienced but he doesn't seem to be learning from his mistakes. Yes - they are his mistakes - not necessarily the players.
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