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Post by skillspaybills on Oct 23, 2019 12:14:32 GMT
This is something I've alluded to a few times regarding our form from last season.
Just 8 wins in 2019 thus far. As Steve says Matt can say it didn't start with him becoming manager but his employment as coach has sadly coincided with this poor run of form.
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Post by scorpioeyes on Oct 23, 2019 13:48:43 GMT
Good point. This cannot be a coincidence,but will action be taken?He should go now,before we are in serious trouble at the foot of the table. The writing has been on the wall for ages.
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Post by Andy K on Oct 23, 2019 13:59:10 GMT
Good point. This cannot be a coincidence,but will action be taken?He should go now,before we are in serious trouble at the foot of the table. The writing has been on the wall for ages. As I've alluded to previously, any "action" will have a financial implication. Anything that has a financial implication will have a direct impact on the playing budget and therefore the squad will need to be cut and wages reduced accordingly, meaning that some of our squad (even some who some may consider favourites of theirs) will also be cut. So if he goes, whoever comes in will have less to work with (and quite possibly could try and demand more of a salary for themselves). Last time this sort of situation happened we had 4 managers in a season, spent 14 grand on Stefan Ball and finished bottom of the league, regardless of any change we made. I'm not saying that change didn't need to happen either then or now, but there needs to be an understanding that just by "sacking the manager" there are going to be other significant implications, and things won't be anyway certain to improve.
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Post by Big Al on Oct 23, 2019 14:41:05 GMT
Its certainly true that terminating a manager’s contract would have financial implications but one would have to weigh up the financial consequence of dropping down a league with associated fall in revenue from inevitably lower season ticket sales, advertising income, occasional TV monies etc etc to get a true picture. Of course I recognise that changing the manager does not guarantee survival and avoidance of the aforementioned drop in revenues.
However my own opinion is that at whatever level professional/ semi-professional football is a results business and ours are not good enough. Add into that the quality of performance being generally poor and our inability to muster enough shots on target let alone score a goal and I am struggling to see how we can justify not changing manager.
My view would be to install JC as player manager alongside someone like Marvin whilst we assess next steps but unfortunately time’s up...
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Post by pinewalker on Oct 23, 2019 15:03:58 GMT
Thanks Stewart for posting the video. Only for the 4th goal were Sutton unlucky, because Butler loses his footing in the mud and might otherwise have got to the shot. For the others - compare their shooting with the shot for Sutton's second goal which hits the post before Tommy nets the rebound. Billericay either shot with power, or lofted the ball over the keeper. Sutton's shooting this season often lacks power and is aimed to beat the keeper by position, clipping in off the foot of the post as per this example. It seems to me we have got rid of all players who could shoot hard with the ball on the ground and beat the keeper [e.g. Cadogan Lafayette Ayunga], or chip him, and what we have left are players trying to roll the ball into the bottom corners. You're welcome. My apologies Andy K, Thank you for posting it!
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Post by davethegrave on Oct 23, 2019 17:28:16 GMT
What about just telling him off?
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Post by mitcham_badlander on Oct 23, 2019 17:29:21 GMT
I thought that it was an entertaining game of football and that Billericay's second, third and fourth goals were especially impressive. According to one fan who I know very well, and who as a young lad was lucky enough to witness their three FA Vase wins in the late 1970s as shown on their mural, they are currently paying part-time wages in the region of £2,000 to £3,000 a week. I believe that our (brave, heroic) lads are paid a fraction of that. I don't think that we should be ashamed of going out to a side who clearly have a lot of quality and should give FGR a run for their money in the next round.
And as for those who say that we should change manager, I would observe that very few managers are highly skilled and that the vast majority of them just perform within expectations. The best predictor of success is the squad's total wage bill. There was a very good article about how little managers actually matter in The Economist earlier this year and I think that the book Soccernomics also touches on this. See also: most company CEOs. In my view there is too much to football beyond simply the identity of the manager that makes it unpredictable and therefore entertaining to watch. I know that we hear it time and again but if anyone reading this wants Sutton to do better then you have to reach into your pocket and give money to the club, whether that be shares, tickets, merchandise etc. and/or volunteering your time for free, because we are a fan-owned club and no longer have Our Lord Dos giving us his financial backing, which I believe included topping up the playing budget from his own pocket, let alone not accepting a wage and loaning us the money for the pitch.
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Post by halftimet on Oct 23, 2019 18:00:31 GMT
It would be a great shame to undo all of the hard work of the last ten years on the space of 9 months.
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Post by markf on Oct 23, 2019 18:40:39 GMT
Not going to dwell on last night too much nor on some of the comments elsewhere. It's easy for me, I've supported this club for so long and seen so many ups and downs that last night was just another chapter in a near 50 year journey that has fortunately provided far more highs and lows thus far. After all if we can giant-kill, we can be on the wrong end of a minor shock too.
What I saw last night was a ridiculously open cup tie that the FA Cup so often produces. Neither side looked that secure at the back but 'Ricay's finishing was a massive difference. Their 'keeper (more about him in a moment) made more saves than Jamie B by quite a margin. He got lucky a couple of times and that one he knew nought about right on h-t may have changed the complexion of the match had it gone in. Their fourth ended any feint hopes but U's did keep going and the fifth arrived at the death and just provided Robinson with the match ball rather than affect the result.
What pissed me off most about last night was the antics of Alan Julian. He obviously has it in for Sutton since Dos let him go. Not sure why because that decision was because of his form and he ended up going to Bromley and winning a league title before joining Tamplin's circus.
Circus is certainly apt for him after last night. Diving around in protest for a foul on Omar B, feigning injury. Gobbing off at the fans behind him and then the blatant time-wasting (which, as I have said before i hate even when Jamie B does it) and then trying to blame the Sutton fans for his yellow card. He was contesting refereeing decisions that were made at the other end of the pitch to him and towards the end began chatting away to an imaginary friend. They say 'keepers need to be mad, AJ proved he is last night. Shame really, because he won Billericay the tie on Saturday with his performance and again last night proved a difficult barrier to hurdle.
But his antics at the end really struck home and he deserved every bit of abuse he got. Every, c every w etc. Bearing in mind what happened at Haringey (obviously not the racism allegation) but the rest of it, he can consider himself lucky we just stick to verbals. Not sure I have ever seen skip make a bee-line for an opponent after a match to remonstrate with as he did last night which suggests the 'keepers antics hadn't gone unnoticed on the pitch either. One of their fans walked past telling us to calm down advice that was certainly needed but not necessarily to us.
Carl Brook had an ok game for him and did try to let the match flow which added to the contest but his handling of Julian's time-wasting was pathetic and that yellow came 15 minutes later than it should haveafter probably the fifth warning to get on with it. To be fair Brook did add on 7 minutes although the head injury to their guy was probably the principal factor.
To close, well done to Billericay whose attacking intent and ability to carry the ball forward with speed caused U's no end of problems last night. Can have no complaints.
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Post by pinewalker on Oct 23, 2019 22:18:15 GMT
Oh come on MarkF! Imagine yourself for once in the jersey of a visiting goalie to GGL. No matter who you are - you get verbal abuse from the gang right behind you and you are a sitting duck, or rather a standing goalie, because you cannot run off up-field for a while. There's no relief in the second half either because the gang has changed ends too.
So once in your life you get to score, for Goodness sake, and earn a replay. Then your boys give U's a stuffing, on the scoreboard anyway. You have a priceless opportunity to wind up the visiting supporters, many the dishers-out of the abuse you got. Irresistible! If you called him a c and w then you have to be able to take it as well as dish it out.
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Post by markf on Oct 24, 2019 6:12:40 GMT
Were you there Tuesday night Mr P?
All had been fine until he started his antics. I actually applauded a couple of his early saves as I did Saturday. Actually, I applauded their fourth goal on Tuesday too.
It wasn't the first time he has done this either. It was an exaggerated repeat of when he first came back with Bromley.
He probably thrives on it. He actually turned and applauded the fans at ht on Saturday.
I don't stand with the youngsters behind the goal.
You stick to your amateur manager hour and I will stick to what I saw.
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Post by mca on Oct 24, 2019 7:37:39 GMT
Oh come on MarkF! Imagine yourself for once in the jersey of a visiting goalie to GGL. No matter who you are - you get verbal abuse from the gang right behind you and you are a sitting duck, or rather a standing goalie, because you cannot run off up-field for a while. There's no relief in the second half either because the gang has changed ends too. So once in your life you get to score, for Goodness sake, and earn a replay. Then your boys give U's a stuffing, on the scoreboard anyway. You have a priceless opportunity to wind up the visiting supporters, many the dishers-out of the abuse you got. Irresistible! If you called him a c and w then you have to be able to take it as well as dish it out. agree. Nothing worse than a fan who gives a player awful abuse all game(I don't have a problem with that), but then clutches their pearls when the guy gives some back.
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Post by Andy K on Oct 24, 2019 8:25:48 GMT
I'm sorry but I'm clearly with Frakey on this one. Yes he got stick, and I'm not excusing some of the stuff that came from a minority of our fans, but at the end of the day he is the professional in this situation. I've lost count the number of times goalies have got stick from fans (and this happens just as much to Sutton as it does to other sides). In fact I've witnessed something similar happen to Jamie Butler recently, and he didn't react the way Julian did and I don't think I've witnessed a keeper do what they can to try and aggravate.
It's pretty obvious he thrives on it, and on a number of occasions he actively encouraged it.
You're a footballer. You're paid to do a job and act professionally. You know the arena you are entering. You don't behave like that. His reaction clearly didn't help the situation. He's a 36 year old experienced keeper, not an insecure 9 year old. But that's how he reacted.
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Post by billy on Oct 24, 2019 10:38:11 GMT
Onwards and upwards to The Premier League .............
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Post by markf on Oct 24, 2019 11:16:31 GMT
Oh come on MarkF! Imagine yourself for once in the jersey of a visiting goalie to GGL. No matter who you are - you get verbal abuse from the gang right behind you and you are a sitting duck, or rather a standing goalie, because you cannot run off up-field for a while. There's no relief in the second half either because the gang has changed ends too. So once in your life you get to score, for Goodness sake, and earn a replay. Then your boys give U's a stuffing, on the scoreboard anyway. You have a priceless opportunity to wind up the visiting supporters, many the dishers-out of the abuse you got. Irresistible! If you called him a c and w then you have to be able to take it as well as dish it out. agree. Nothing worse than a fan who gives a player awful abuse all game(I don't have a problem with that), but then clutches their pearls when the guy gives some back. If you read my post from the original tie I stated that he didn't warrant the stick he got on Saturfday. Tuesday night he did everything he could to wind up the Sutton support and got the abuse back. if you weren't there why comment? If you were fair enough. BTW, I left my pearls at home on Tuesday. This forum increasingly makes me laugh. Ok to slag of your own club manager but not an oppo goalkeeper who was playing to his audience.
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