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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Dec 29, 2014 21:41:12 GMT
Ref you're a xxxx
Could change to
Ref you're behaving like a xxxx
Lino you xxxxxxx xxxxx
Could change to
Lino that was a xxxxxxx ridiculous xxxxxxxx decision.
And this way I'm not supporting slavery or child labour because I'm willing to change to what someone else would prefer.
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Post by os on Dec 29, 2014 21:59:27 GMT
If a official is not capable of measuring 10yards, and allows free kicks to be taken at 6 yards then you have to question his ability to do the job. That is what happened yesterday and simply booking players when the clock turns to a certain time in the match is not acceptable either!
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Post by markf on Dec 29, 2014 22:20:13 GMT
Yeah, I totally get why the abuse thing happens. We get frustrated, we lose our tempers. Although I've always wondered: if some of us can keep a lid on it, why can't others? The problem is when it crosses the line, though. That's happened a lot recently. The other problem - the main one I would say - is the alarming number of people who say "it's always been part of football" and shrug it off, with an implied "therefore it's ok/not my responsibility to change things." That attitude is the reason for many of the world's problems. We do have the power to change our own behaviour, of course we do. But if everyone had that attitude, we'd still be keeping people as slaves and sending kids to work down mines and only rich landowners would be allowed to vote... Of course we're going to get frustrated, because passions and emotion are a massive part of football and if they weren't then we wouldn't go. But can't we please make an effort to keep it less personal/abusive? It's not asking much. Instead of "you're a w*nker" how about "that was a ridiculous decision" if that's how you feel; instead of "you haven't a clue what you're doing you c***" how about "what the hell was that?" or even just "bloody hell" or whatever. I know the swearing also upsets people with kids, understandably, but if I had kids I'd rather they heard swearwords than personal abuse. I find "for f***s sake" far less offensive than "you f***ing idiot." Personal abuse does a lot more damage, and it's downright cowardly as well as rude when he's not even in a position to respond or explain his decision. Also, if someone was yelling insults at me while I was working, I'm pretty sure I'd perform worse, definitely not better. That's not because I'm incompetent, it's because I'm human. And I wouldn't treat another human like that. Some of us can't keep a lid on it because we are different to those who can. Like a football official we are human too. If it's the worse thing I ever do in life I am not that bad a person. It is not their work either not at this level and as most have come through Sunday football or similar I suspect they have had to put up with far worse, where you are isolated with no back up. as for explaining a decision when has that ever happened at our level? The rare occasion is generally when a manager has asked. I accept we all make mistakes but it is the lack of consistency over 90 mins that really annoys me. And it is getting worse by the season. And has cost us already this season.
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Post by amberchoc on Dec 29, 2014 22:42:55 GMT
An unfortunate knock-on effect is that it's not going to help bring in or retain the next generation of supporters. During the first-half I noticed a father with his young lad at the Collingwood Road end and initially he put up with the first volley of abuse with a bit of a grin, but when it continued he simply led his kid away towards the main stand. If the father returns for another game I can't imagine he'll be bringing his son.
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Dec 29, 2014 22:55:03 GMT
So are you suggesting he led his son to the Family Stand? What a good idea.
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Post by amberchoc on Dec 29, 2014 23:08:05 GMT
So are you suggesting he led his son to the Family Stand? What a good idea. Or to the exit......
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Post by Andy K on Dec 29, 2014 23:36:07 GMT
I don't know about you all, but that was our best performance since Whitehawk away in my eyes. OK it wasn't a faultless performance but the spirit that the side played with, especially after that first half where pretty much everything that could go wrong did go wrong, and would break most players spirit. So pleased for Billy to break his duck and Cloughie scoring goals better than some of our more recognised strikers would be proud off. Dos was daring, not just with playing Clough up front, but if that experiment had gone wrong, his confidence could have got a right kicking.
I don't think St Albans were especially bad, I just think we made them look bad. This is what a Sutton side in previous years have done before, and although it's only one performance, at last it's shown that this group of players CAN do it. And more importantly they've shown to themselves they can do. And to top it all I couldn't say any player had a bad game either. 8 days changes so much - on the Saturday before xmas, we looked like 11 individuals lost on the pitch, this time we looked like a team. A proper team.
Oh and as for the swearing - it's certainly not a new issue and the club doesn't have the resources to address this efficiently. I can appreciate it when supporters get frustrated and in association with their passion they "lose it" a little. I have also seen some of the younger supporters also look up to these and try and mimic them. Not to preach or anything, but in that case there's a responsibility with those who do swear. How they deal with that responsibility is up to them. I remember a poster on here a couple of years ago saying "I pay my entrance money, I say what I want". We do, as adults all have a choice. We'd live in a very odd world if all our choices were the same. But then, as adults we need to accept that sometimes our choices affect, irritate or offend others. Then one can make those choices - lets face it, that's what we are all judged on.
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Post by sallycat on Dec 29, 2014 23:55:45 GMT
If a official is not capable of measuring 10yards, and allows free kicks to be taken at 6 yards then you have to question his ability to do the job. That is what happened yesterday and simply booking players when the clock turns to a certain time in the match is not acceptable either! Yeah, like I said, it's totally understandable why some people lose their tempers. But reacting like that isn't going to help and may well make things worse as it's much harder to do one's job under those conditions. And whether it's his "proper job" or even whether he gets paid for it is completely irrelevant. If anything, it also makes things worse as it would then be easier for them to walk away, leaving us with those who were deemed second best to them in the first place (I know, I know. Second best doesn't quite sound right in this case!). Yes, we are all different. But we're also adults who should be able to control what we shout in public. Not asking much, yet some people are still arguing their "right" to abuse another person in public. Amazing.
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Post by os on Dec 30, 2014 1:56:37 GMT
If a official is not capable of measuring 10yards, and allows free kicks to be taken at 6 yards then you have to question his ability to do the job. That is what happened yesterday and simply booking players when the clock turns to a certain time in the match is not acceptable either! Yeah, like I said, it's totally understandable why some people lose their tempers. But reacting like that isn't going to help and may well make things worse as it's much harder to do one's job under those conditions. And whether it's his "proper job" or even whether he gets paid for it is completely irrelevant. If anything, it also makes things worse as it would then be easier for them to walk away, leaving us with those who were deemed second best to them in the first place (I know, I know. Second best doesn't quite sound right in this case!). Yes, we are all different. But we're also adults who should be able to control what we shout in public. Not asking much, yet some people are still arguing their "right" to abuse another person in public. Amazing. I do agree, although I am not sure what is actually suggested to be abuse? I prefer the term 'berate' as I don't swear, I just tell him is useless and should go fishing instead or similar. Also if a ref is good I will tell him that too.
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Post by medibot on Dec 30, 2014 2:16:40 GMT
I'm at a loss to see why telling somebody they are sh*t at their job and that consequently they are ruining your afternoon with their utter incompetence is made any better or worse by choosing not use swear words.
I'm still making the same basic point and the English language had a fine range of obscenities to get this point across in the heat of the moment.
If swearing was cracked down on at GGL, I would still find some wonderfully eloquent ways to get my point across.
The laws of the game are reasonably clear, three officials are there to apply them.
When this hasn't happened to the point it looks bent and when they are grinning and laughing, cupping their ears and making "w*nker" gestures to the crowd then people will get upset.
I'm not arguing my right to abuse somebody in public, I'm arguing my right to have a competent official apply the laws fairly and equally to both sides.
The ability of the 11 players wearing chocolate and amber shirts to knock a ball around a field and put it in the net is variable, the application of some very basic laws of the game should be absolute.
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Post by northernmonkey on Dec 30, 2014 6:37:28 GMT
So are you suggesting he led his son to the Family Stand? What a good idea. The volume with which the c bomb is dropped at GGL, you can hear it in the children's playground outside the ground, let alone the family stand.
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Post by northernmonkey on Dec 30, 2014 6:40:16 GMT
If a official is not capable of measuring 10yards, and allows free kicks to be taken at 6 yards then you have to question his ability to do the job. That is what happened yesterday and simply booking players when the clock turns to a certain time in the match is not acceptable either! Yeah, like I said, it's totally understandable why some people lose their tempers. But reacting like that isn't going to help and may well make things worse as it's much harder to do one's job under those conditions. And whether it's his "proper job" or even whether he gets paid for it is completely irrelevant. If anything, it also makes things worse as it would then be easier for them to walk away, leaving us with those who were deemed second best to them in the first place (I know, I know. Second best doesn't quite sound right in this case!). Yes, we are all different. But we're also adults who should be able to control what we shout in public. Not asking much, yet some people are still arguing their "right" to abuse another person in public. Amazing. Exactly right. The fact is some of these people who cannot control themselves from shouting personal abuse need to go on an anger management course.
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Post by exiledsufc on Dec 30, 2014 7:51:29 GMT
sallycat said they are not in a position to explain their decision,that's why i think they should have a chance,like managers after the game to explain the reason for the decision,something like the post game interview Dos does,that might help
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Post by jr on Dec 30, 2014 9:10:06 GMT
We can have a go at the refs as much as we like but it ain't going to get better. Any of you watch the Premiership? The refs are so incompetent in the Premier League so it's no wonder they're even worse at our level. They give wrong decisions all the time so it's going to happen more frequently in our league. Sadly we will just have to accept it.
A game is full of opinions and it's the ref's that count. Most of us watching aren't qualified refs or qualified coaches so what makes you think you're right and the ref is wrong or you can question a manager's decision. Have an opinion yes, but don't go overboard as you may actually be wrong!!
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Post by garethl on Dec 30, 2014 9:29:26 GMT
If swearing was cracked down on at GGL, I would still find some wonderfully eloquent ways to get my point across. Seeing as you are able to do this and the swearing offends some and that others don't want their kids to hear it then is it not possible to just do it without it being cracked down on? Whilst I understand that swearing is everywhere now and part of society and I accept that some of those responsible are our most loyal and passionate followers without whom we wouldn't have much of a club, can't we just support without the extremes? This comes up on here occasionally, and we are no worse than any other football club, but it really can only be changed by the individuals concerned. If they don't care then IMO no point in creating an issue out of it. For sure in my mind I'd prefer them to try to drum up support etc and accept the odd verbal misdemeanor than for us to play in funeral silence. Without these individuals we'd rapidly be heading to Carshaltonesque crowds, they are bad enough as they are. My son will be coming along in a couple of years when old enough, I'd rather he didn't hear cow yelled out but I know where to stand in the ground to avoid the worst of it.
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