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Post by amberchoc on Dec 31, 2014 14:17:01 GMT
OS, the difference between venting your frustration and being abusive can be as simple as whether you're insulting a person or just criticising their behaviour. If I say you're a stupid idiot then I'm being abusive but if I tell you you've done a very stupid thing then I'm not. Rude maybe, but it isn't personal abuse. So there we have it - next time we get an awful decision, just bellow at the top of your voice "I SAY REFEREE, YOU'VE JUST DONE A VERY STUPID THING!" Sorted. Everybody's happy!
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Post by Del on Dec 31, 2014 14:20:51 GMT
Yes ,you'll feel so much better after saying that !
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Post by nigcapgue on Dec 31, 2014 14:22:06 GMT
OS, the difference between venting your frustration and being abusive can be as simple as whether you're insulting a person or just criticising their behaviour. If I say you're a stupid idiot then I'm being abusive but if I tell you you've done a very stupid thing then I'm not. Rude maybe, but it isn't personal abuse. So there we have it - next time we get an awful decision, just bellow at the top of your voice "I SAY REFEREE, YOU'VE JUST DONE A VERY STUPID THING!" Sorted. Everybody's happy!
Perhaps you would care to pass this info on to all the others who appear to be part of the army who wish to degrade the CLUB
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Post by amberchoc on Dec 31, 2014 14:22:40 GMT
Go on, I dare someone to shout it out tomorrow!
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Post by Jared on Dec 31, 2014 14:41:49 GMT
My personal favourite thing to shout is 'ref, that decision was erroneous!'
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Post by Jared on Dec 31, 2014 14:42:25 GMT
My personal favourite thing to shout is 'ref, that decision was erroneous!'
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Post by Andy K on Dec 31, 2014 16:21:42 GMT
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but one reason why such language appears on our terraces is that almost without exception, there's no comeback. You give abuse to a ref safe in the knowledge, you know the ref is not going to react. You give abuse to an opposing player - 99 times out of 100 you won't get a reaction, and when you do, the player will always be at fault (see BWG and Dean Palmer against Wealdstone, or more recently, Wayne Shaw against kingstonian). When it's given to opposing fans, it's usually when the fans are at the other end of the pitch. When you give it to your own fans, you aim it at ones who you deem harmless and won't react with a like for like retort.
I'll put money on the fact if any of those situations were reversed those people shut up very sharpish - something I've witnessed a few times (rare games where Police/Stewards take action or even better the aggressor gets humiliated in front of their peers).
The passion bit is a bit of a smokescreen. If they couldn't get away with it, they wouldn't do it. That's the bottom line.
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Post by markf on Dec 31, 2014 17:06:41 GMT
First time poster here all the way from Tasmania. My mates and I attended Bromley v Sutton a few weeks ago. A great game of non-league football despite the 1-2 loss. We all noted a couple of things: 1. Sutton are a fine team who do not deserve to be anywhere near the relegation zone this season. They have had a run of bad luck for sure. 2. Some Sutton fans are downright ugly. Seriously guys - it was very noticeable how at the slightest contentious decision by the referee a few loudmouths went right off every time. Ironically, the referee's performance that day was excellent by any standard. It's sad to see a great club partly infected with a culture of childish, hysterical foul-mouthed abuse being thrown at officials. I agree with earlier posters - it can and should change. Yes he was good that afternoon and I told him so as the officials came off. Other than leaving our 'keeper down injured after the danger had been cleared (he has done that to us before), he had a good game. We do have previous with this ref (our manager's first ever competitive match for a starter). Maybe that's why he got some undeserved stick on the afternoon in question.
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Post by sallycat on Dec 31, 2014 17:26:27 GMT
Yes ,you'll feel so much better after saying that ! Haha! I daresay some people would prefer to stick a few stronger words into it... It would certainly make me feel better than calling someone a c*** when they weren't able to defend themselves. I'd feel pretty shitty if I did something that nasty.
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Post by os on Dec 31, 2014 18:51:14 GMT
I would say under the criteria given, that my comments to the officials come under the non abusive category then? I shouted he was awful to him on Saturday, I think Frakey shouted he was diabolical both in a somewhat robust manner. There were chants of 'w*nker w*nker' towards the ref at Hemel from those behind the goal 'sallycat'?
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Post by Amber Aleman on Dec 31, 2014 19:07:34 GMT
Perhaps some of us should take a moment to remember that without people volunteering to be matchday officials - and to take the abuse that comes with it - there would be no football for us to watch! And every one of those officials will have a breaking point.
That said, I don't think that any of the contributors to this thread are among the worst offenders when it comes to foul or abusive language at Sutton matches.
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Post by Stewart on Dec 31, 2014 19:11:32 GMT
Let's just cut out the C word and I will be happy Attachments:
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Post by nigcapgue on Dec 31, 2014 19:34:23 GMT
Let's just cut out the C word and I will be happy One cannot cut out one without the others!
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Post by JK on Dec 31, 2014 19:47:45 GMT
If you stop the swearing you will end up killing the atmosphere..... ...Its part of the match day experience.
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Post by tonyd on Dec 31, 2014 20:12:09 GMT
On a related point, I can't help but feel that Glen gets more bookings than he should because he is in the ref's face (and earholes) so often. The refs are only human and who would blame them if they took the opportunity to get back at a player if he gives them the chance.
As for the decision which seemed to send some people into meltdown, I thought at the time that the handball was purely accidental, the defender turning his back as the cross went straight at him. I know that handball is often given in those circumstances but I don't agree with that, it should be kept for deliberate actions. As for his arms not being in a natural position, what is the natural position for ones arms when a ball is blasted towards you?
As for refs being incompetent, I suggest that the number of slo-mo action replays that blanket TV coverage is giving us a false expectation of what competence is.
Anyway, as Dos said, the ref wound up the crowd and improved the atmosphere, so well done ref.
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