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Post by Andy K on Nov 3, 2019 17:00:16 GMT
What's happening with the loan players? Pearce has been on loan from the start of the season according to MG to get match fitness Mason also both up from the academy and according to Dos rising stars. Seem to have been dumped by MG. Pearce even scored on his first outing at Fylde and has played a good few games with JC and as Goodliffe is off form why is Pearce not being brought back in. The SSC game should at least be a chance for him. It seems MG is trying to eradicate the DOS era and legacy. Are you Pearce?
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Post by Stewart on Nov 3, 2019 17:37:59 GMT
Not sure how many shots we had at goal yesterday without one finding the net. You can have the best manager in the world in charge but it won't necessarily make the ball go in the net. We mixed up the corners against Barrow which i was pleased to see. Our luck will change i'm sure. Maybe our luck will change when Tommy is fully match fit!
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Post by billy on Nov 3, 2019 18:02:38 GMT
I used to play with and against a bloke called Pearce.His first name was Trev.
When we played for Surrey Schoolboys John Rains was also in the side.
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Post by garethl on Nov 3, 2019 18:08:05 GMT
What's happening with the loan players? Pearce has been on loan from the start of the season according to MG to get match fitness Mason also both up from the academy and according to Dos rising stars. Seem to have been dumped by MG. Pearce even scored on his first outing at Fylde and has played a good few games with JC and as Goodliffe is off form why is Pearce not being brought back in. The SSC game should at least be a chance for him. It seems MG is trying to eradicate the DOS era and legacy. Are you Pearce? Haha - my first thought as first time poster was someone connected to him/the academy in some way - academy player/parent/friend. For all the criticism Matt has faced the last line seems particularly laughable.
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Post by garethl on Nov 3, 2019 18:21:26 GMT
The issue we face is obviously not losing to Barrow away. It’s the pressure we now find ourselves under for not beating ordinary sides such as Halifax, Ebbsfleet and Stockport at home. Unfortunately this run of form means we’re going to need a seriously good run at some stage and as we all know wins are hard earned in this league. Stringing 3 or 4 together in good time is something that is very hard, even when we were flying high in this league we struggled to string a series of wins together. It doesn’t help us that we’re probably coming off one of the easier runs you get in this league. On top of that we’ve been beaten at home by Maidenhead and only drew with Chorley so it isn’t just this dire run of games that has left us where we are. The effort may be there but we have to find some quality and goals in the final third and quickly or it will not get better. Like others say it’s not bad luck if you don’t score goals so consistently, players are literally not doing the thing that matters the most (along with keeping them out). I’ve played (and seen) against a few sides where you come off (away) thinking they’re ok but they’re in the relegation mix and it’s usually a consistent failure to score goals.
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Post by swedishchapter on Nov 3, 2019 18:54:05 GMT
The issue we face is obviously not losing to Barrow away. It’s the pressure we now find ourselves under for not beating ordinary sides such as Halifax, Ebbsfleet and Stockport at home. Unfortunately this run of form means we’re going to need a seriously good run at some stage and as we all know wins are hard earned in this league. Stringing 3 or 4 together in good time is something that is very hard, even when we were flying high in this league we struggled to string a series of wins together. It doesn’t help us that we’re probably coming off one of the easier runs you get in this league. On top of that we’ve been beaten at home by Maidenhead and only drew with Chorley so it isn’t just this dire run of games that has left us where we are. The effort may be there but we have to find some quality and goals in the final third and quickly or it will not get better. Like others say it’s not bad luck if you don’t score goals so consistently, players are literally not doing the thing that matters the most (along with keeping them out). I’ve played (and seen) against a few sides where you come off (away) thinking they’re ok but they’re in the relegation mix and it’s usually a consistent failure to score goals. Spot on!
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Post by holkerbird on Nov 3, 2019 19:01:36 GMT
Barrow fan here. Just like to say your guys were the best footballing side we have seen at Holker St for a long time. The problem seems to be the lack of goal scorers. It was refreshing to see a side who didn't fall over when losing the ball and using other tactics to con the ref which we see constantly by other sides. We got off to a slow start this season and I am sure you will pick up and progress. Only 3 months of the season gone so plenty of time yet. Your lads and manager are decent honest people and were good ambassadors for your club. All the very best for the rest of the season.
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Post by markf on Nov 3, 2019 19:06:23 GMT
I used to play with and against a bloke called Pearce.His first name was Trev. When we played for Surrey Schoolboys John Rains was also in the side. Trevor Pearce had a brief stay at Sutton making a handful of first team appearances
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Post by billy on Nov 3, 2019 21:02:42 GMT
Cheers Mark,i didn't know that.I used to play against him when he was at Millwall.Last time i played against him was for Mitcham Junction Press against Manor .He was a good little player !
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Post by mca on Nov 3, 2019 21:02:49 GMT
16 points after 19 games doesn't point to bad luck. Fair play to MG for repeating the unlucky line every week, he's got alot of fans believing it. Facts are we we're getting 0.8 points per game, and to have any chance of staying up we need 1.3 per game from now. We need to have the form of a mid table side at least to hit 50 points. It's already critical, and claiming 2 goals in 7 games in unlucky and our luck will change is just plain denial.
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Post by davethegrave on Nov 3, 2019 21:53:07 GMT
I know it's a club TV interview but why doesn't the interviewer challenge him more? Also Gray says I don't want to change the shape. Why not? The shape is not producing any goals.
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Post by davethegrave on Nov 3, 2019 22:02:35 GMT
Barrow fan here. Just like to say your guys were the best footballing side we have seen at Holker St for a long time. The problem seems to be the lack of goal scorers. It was refreshing to see a side who didn't fall over when losing the ball and using other tactics to con the ref which we see constantly by other sides. We got off to a slow start this season and I am sure you will pick up and progress. Only 3 months of the season gone so plenty of time yet. Your lads and manager are decent honest people and were good ambassadors for your club. All the very best for the rest of the season. Maybe that's our problem. We're too nice. We need to learn a few of the nasty tricks of the trade if we want to compete. But of course that isn't the Sutton way.
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Post by Andy K on Nov 3, 2019 22:43:29 GMT
Barrow were playing a 3-4-3 against us in the first half and they still couldn't break us down. Credit where credit is due. Without a player who right back is their primary role plus a centre back pairing who is young and inexperienced they did a fine job for most of the game. But as others pointed out we didnt change shape until our 3rd sub. The first two were like for like.
Yes MG is saying the same things week in and week out but so are the posters on the forum. I do think whatever we say he isn't going to change things on the pitch.
I was one of the 38 there yesterday. With a couple of exceptions the majority of the 38 were those who were going to away games pre Dos. I know Barrow is a hell of a long way but it did feel like those we've picked up on the way are starting to desert as quickly as they came (and why people like Johnnie and Ryan S are so good and important for the future of the club). I did walk away from Holker Street feeling it will be the last time I go there for a while and I really hope I'm wrong. Credit to them though they seem to have found their mojo this season and their 1800+ crowd (all of whom seem totally bought into their current success) came across as decent. I felt a little envious because it's something we've had but not got at the moment.
Still plenty to play for though.
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Post by ggl on Nov 3, 2019 23:11:52 GMT
I think we can all agree that we are in serious relegation trouble and unless things change soon then we are going down . Stating the obvious or what ! The problem is how to improve our results and “luck” . I admit that I was one of those calling for the managers head ( on this forum and not at matches ) but as has been pointed out by people in the know it appears that we cannot afford to sack him , even if the board wanted to which seems to be not the case . I was not at the match yesterday but firmly believe the players are giving their all for MG so perhaps a change at the top is not what is required . The question I now ask is MG too inflexible in his tactics , both before and during matches , and is he not willing or able to bring in loan players to see us through the next few matches at least . With regards to the tactics , are his coaching staff not making suggestions ? If the are not , why not ? If they are is he not willing to take advise ? As for the loan players idea , if he does not have the necessary contacts surely he could approach Lord Dos for some suggestions ?
In short , I thought a change of manager was the answer . Now I am not sure and believe he should be given a little more time to turn things around . These are just my ramblings , I wish I had the answer but I don’t 🙁
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Post by pinewalker on Nov 4, 2019 0:20:56 GMT
In case it provides a clue. In the SUTV highlights from Barrow U's have no headers at all. 7 shots all on target or close to it, but from this many yards out 22,25,18, 12 (blocked by a defender 1 yard away), 28,22,40. The Barrow keeper was able to catch most of the shots to reach him and only had to dive for one. It takes real power in the shot to beat a keeper from that range and our attack did not have it in this game. Because in the main they had been on a longish run towards goal before shooting that far out.
I suspect that what the team lacks is a midfield player of the Nicky Bailey type who can create a central platform nearer the opponent's goal and set his forwards on a run to get nearer to the goal before shooting. Changing the forwards may not improve our scoring, it may be the service they are getting.
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