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Post by medwaysider on Apr 13, 2020 21:28:46 GMT
My first team's Gillingham by the way so I'm curious to know what age you are because ourselves and Swindon have certainly enjoyed a feisty history since the late 70s. My second ever game (aged 9) was the first leg of our play off semi against your lads in May 1987, a slim 1-0 win which ultimately wasn't good enough. I count myself fortunate that I wasn't old enough to visit the County Ground for the 2nd leg, and even more fortunate not to have been at Selhurst for the one-off decider! You definitely had the Indian sign over us in those days. I was at both....got hit on the head by a bit of masonry thrown into the Gillingham fans presumably from the Swindon area at the County Ground just after the "Elsey Rocket" went in, and at Selhurst in the replay that was over as a contest after 60 seconds. Was still at school in Sutton for the infamous Ray McHale game at Priestfield in '79 but father in law-to-be was. Feisty indeed Christ that sounds nasty, hope you weren't injured too badly mate? Yeah definitely two sets of supporters who bring out the worst in each other. Didn't play them again until 2006 but those 19 years did nothing to dampen the flames. One of the very few times I've seen police deployed in full riot gear when it was genuinely needed. Were you at Roker for the semi? Wish I had a time machine for that one  |
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Post by medyel on Apr 13, 2020 21:45:12 GMT
Went to the 3-2 at Priestfield when Cascarino scores a hat trick for Gills but never went to Sunderland..did go go the 10-0 v Chessie early in the next season having missed the 8-1 the week before as eldest son was being born in All Saints that weekend. Nothing as exciting as the stuff in the days of Cornwall, Dennis, Macca, Curly et al at GGL in those days I hasten to add; a Golden or should I say Amber era
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Post by medwaysider on Apr 13, 2020 22:12:30 GMT
Went to the 3-2 at Priestfield when Cascarino scores a hat trick for Gills but never went to Sunderland..did go go the 10-0 v Chessie early in the next season having missed the 8-1 the week before as eldest son was being born in All Saints that weekend. Nothing as exciting as the stuff in the days of Cornwall, Dennis, Macca, Curly et al at GGL in those days I hasten to add; a Golden or should I say Amber era That 3-2 was my first game! I was at the Town End. Don't remember much about it (and all but one of the goals was at the Rainham End so didn't see much either). I also missed the 8-1 but saw the 10-0. Took me another few ways to find my way to GGL. First game was v Hitchin towards the end of the 93/4 season. I think we beat them 2-0 but I wouldn't swear to it. |
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Post by amberchoc on Apr 22, 2020 12:15:43 GMT
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Post by Del on Apr 22, 2020 12:56:08 GMT
Yes but now the really difficult decisions have to be made. Relegating any team ,even Chorley , would seem very harsh. Its all very well calculating these results on a points per game basis but we all know that teams have good runs and bad runs over a season. You have only got to look at our results to see that. Thankfully we are not involved either end of the League and voiding the League this season may be the best option. If the Football League need another club then i wouldn't mind seeing the back of Barrow as its a million miles from nowhere ! |
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Post by Andy K on Apr 22, 2020 15:10:35 GMT
A lot is going to happen in the next few weeks on what the outcome of the season will be, and this will of course depend on other factors (including what the EFL do), but what we know at the moment is that if the league isn't voided (and there's been no indication that it will be yet) then Barrow will be crowned as champions. We also know that there will be no relegation from the VNL North and South - I think they were going to expand anyway, but even if that wasn't the case, the leagues below them have been voided so there would be no teams going up regardless.
Barrow was trending on Twitter earlier, mostly down to thick people who didn't actually understand the National League statement. Even Jeff Stelling didn't either!
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Post by os on Apr 22, 2020 18:38:26 GMT
IMO : The league still had way too many matches to go to decide anyones finising position, the season has to be void. Should Barrow get the title it would be a travisty, Notts County had far better form going into the last 10 matches.
Also how could you relegate Ebbsfleet with their form or tell a team outside the relagtion spots they are down?
Stupid idea...
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Post by Andy K on Apr 22, 2020 19:54:15 GMT
Personally, I'm the opposite of that. I don't think the season should be voided. There's been enough of the season for it to have been taken as a result. If a game got called off for reasons beyond anyone's control after 75min and a team losing 4-1 had just scored and were on the attack, would that be a travesty? And would it be fair for Harrogate (who had better form than Notts County) to miss out the opportunity of going up by voiding the season? Notts form over the last 10 games was only 5 points better than Barrow, so far better is a stretch. I don't think there's a huge travesty on awarding Barrow the title bearing in mind they've been top since 16th November.
PPG will probably be the fairest outcome if the season is void, but then there's still a big question of the play offs but I think if you stop promotion and relegation then the integrity of the league could be thrown into question. The teams are where they are because of how they've performed in all but the last 6 weeks of the season.
On a side note, I have no idea if the Sutton board voted to end the season, but bearing in mind a reported 90% voted in favour, I expect they did and from a financial and sustainable point of view, I think that's exactly the right decision. If this dragged on more I think we would have been in more trouble.
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Post by os on Apr 22, 2020 20:33:36 GMT
Yes Andy, but its that last 10 games of the season when everything can and often does change due to injuries or even the sheer pressure that makes it such a vital 25% of the season.
We would never had won the Natioanl South under the same rule, how many horses would have won the National or the Derby without that final furlong - I just think there was so much still to play for.
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Post by tonyd on Apr 22, 2020 20:36:28 GMT
I can’t argue with ending the season, it may be time to start the new season by the time we’re let out! But I do think that they should’ve used PPG to sort out basic promo and relegation places. I remember being devastated when Sutton turned down the opportunity to go up into the Conference. Thankfully we won the league the next season and did go up. But we all know instances of teams that had a good season followed by an ordinary one. The differences between champions and also rans are very small and I think a number of teams in steps 1-5 will have been denied an opportunity for promotion that won’t come again any time soon. Having said that, if all the leagues below us have accepted that position, it makes it difficult to do anything different.
However I won’t accept that the results are null and void. The games were played, players added to their appearances, goals were scored, including Omar’s Natl Lge goal of the year. And nobody will expect to have their ticket costs refunded!
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Post by andycapp on Apr 22, 2020 20:45:39 GMT
On Oliver Holt’s Twitter Sports Journalist
Re:National League. Told that once this season’s issues decided,
top 3 divisions of non-league won’t be back until January
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Post by markf on Apr 22, 2020 20:51:41 GMT
While I understand why clubs voted as they did, it does appear premature with regards to the EFL and what they do. With the Government's CMO suggesting social distancing may continue for another year, there is no guarantee that next season will start let alone finish. If it does start and doesn't finish, we will be in the same position as we are now and the integrity of The Pyramid will be in tatters.
I have stated before I am not sure how it could work contractually but I think finishing this season was the best option. Not enough thinking "outside that well used box" in what is unprecedented times.
One thing I agree with some EFL clubs is regionalisation of the bottom two leagues and I think the top tier of the NL should consider it too otherwise some clubs, as Dos said last week, ain't going to get through this.
As for club records, I suspect player stats etc will stand. They certainly will in my records.
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Post by Del on Apr 22, 2020 20:55:37 GMT
Maidenhead find themselves in the bottom 4 for the first time this season i believe & under PPG would be relegated. PPG is nonsense because it doesn't take into account the teams that a club has yet to play.
You don't have to null and void the stats or the results but you can't decide final league standings.
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Post by os on Apr 22, 2020 21:33:34 GMT
I am glad I don't have to make the decisions on this one, whatever the league decide is going to upset some. A good season to finish in middle table obscurity TBH, so we can sit back and relax.
As for Mark's wider picture, who knows when we will play again, and even what format that will take?
I have not read Dos's article but I suspect if EFL 1 downwards suffer badly, and I expect almost almost every club to struggle below the the top 2 leagues in one way or another. We may see the situation get a bit ugly towards the premiership and its vast whealth in comparison?
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Post by Andy K on Apr 23, 2020 7:58:41 GMT
Maidenhead find themselves in the bottom 4 for the first time this season i believe & under PPG would be relegated. PPG is nonsense because it doesn't take into account the teams that a club has yet to play. You don't have to null and void the stats or the results but you can't decide final league standings. Look on the bright side. At least we can say that Maidenhead didn't do the double over us this season! |
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