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Post by Del on Sept 24, 2020 19:44:01 GMT
Story on BBC website says 3 October restart not confirmed. That's odd. BBC Radio 5 live stated it would about 6pm.
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Post by garethl on Sept 24, 2020 19:48:58 GMT
Maybe it depends on the financing and they don’t want to commit to the start date before confirmation on that point! I can’t think clubs (non bankrolled) at this level can play without fans unless there is some additional support.
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Post by Stewart on Sept 24, 2020 20:25:23 GMT
Hoping there’s some truth in this..£40,000 per club might not go far for some in the National League but that would pretty much cover our monthly playing budget would it not?! I would be surprised if clubs will get 40k a month that seems to good to be true.
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Post by jr on Sept 24, 2020 20:41:01 GMT
Hoping there’s some truth in this..£40,000 per club might not go far for some in the National League but that would pretty much cover our monthly playing budget would it not?! I would be surprised if clubs will get 40k a month that seems to good to be true. Actually it’s £14,925 if divided equally between the 67 clubs. Top journalist forgets there’s 67 clubs in the NL set up. It looks like NL North and South clubs are going to be downgraded from Elite according to Ian ‘Moose’ Abrahams
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Post by os on Sept 24, 2020 21:30:19 GMT
I would be surprised if clubs will get 40k a month that seems to good to be true. Actually it’s £14,925 if divided equally between the 67 clubs. Top journalist forgets there’s 67 clubs in the NL set up. It looks like NL North and South clubs are going to be downgraded from Elite according to Ian ‘Moose’ Abrahams The message I got earlier was saying Nat Prem only but you never know with the media, but that would make sense if N/S were to be downgraded to allow them crowds, but I am only guessing? I think 40k plus streaming could possibly do the job, no doubt Bruce has his calculator out If the deal is confirmed then I think its a victory for commonsense and something I have been pushing for (not that I did it) for months. I have never felt that football with any sort of meaningful crowds was going to be viable at least before Christmas but in truth it could be most of the season. Something else I have been pushing for is for NL clubs to modernize their approach to media, when you think so much happens on line these days, clubs like ours take far too small a proportion of revenue from it. I am hoping this is good opportunity to look at online sponsorship and advertising to create not only emergency funding stream but ones for the future too.
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Post by Big Al on Sept 25, 2020 6:32:36 GMT
The very fact that we’re on this forum shows that a) we love SUFC and b) we love football. However let’s look at this through the lens of the general public. Yes lower and non-league football is an industry jeopardised by the virus just like many others and jobs are at risk. However is it not completely incongruous that the public purse will support the game when PL clubs are still paying multi million pound fees for players who they then pay literally millions of pounds a year to in wages. In some cases these same players steadfastly refuse to give up even a small percentage of their massively over inflated income.
Football is different to many other threatened industries in that those at the very pinnacle still have the ability to support those lower down the ladder. They should but they don’t- it’s greed, pure and simple.
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Sept 25, 2020 7:17:26 GMT
The very fact that we’re on this forum shows that a) we love SUFC and b) we love football. However let’s look at this through the lens of the general public. Yes lower and non-league football is an industry jeopardised by the virus just like many others and jobs are at risk. However is it not completely incongruous that the public purse will support the game when PL clubs are still paying multi million pound fees for players who they then pay literally millions of pounds a year to in wages. In some cases these same players steadfastly refuse to give up even a small percentage of their massively over inflated income. Football is different to many other threatened industries in that those at the very pinnacle still have the ability to support those lower down the ladder. They should but they don’t- it’s greed, pure and simple. Should Amazon support other online retailers? Should Starbucks support independent coffee shops? Should Tesco’s support small greengrocers and butchers? I don’t see why football always gets a rough ride over what they should do. Don’t get me wrong I would love it if the PL helped out but ultimately they are a businesses run for profit. And apologies for picking up on your post, this is not aimed at you personally. I just don’t see the PL clubs feeling the obligation to support NL.
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Post by Big Al on Sept 25, 2020 9:00:24 GMT
The very fact that we’re on this forum shows that a) we love SUFC and b) we love football. However let’s look at this through the lens of the general public. Yes lower and non-league football is an industry jeopardised by the virus just like many others and jobs are at risk. However is it not completely incongruous that the public purse will support the game when PL clubs are still paying multi million pound fees for players who they then pay literally millions of pounds a year to in wages. In some cases these same players steadfastly refuse to give up even a small percentage of their massively over inflated income. Football is different to many other threatened industries in that those at the very pinnacle still have the ability to support those lower down the ladder. They should but they don’t- it’s greed, pure and simple. Should Amazon support other online retailers? Should Starbucks support independent coffee shops? Should Tesco’s support small greengrocers and butchers? I don’t see why football always gets a rough ride over what they should do. Don’t get me wrong I would love it if the PL helped out but ultimately they are a businesses run for profit. And apologies for picking up on your post, this is not aimed at you personally. I just don’t see the PL clubs feeling the obligation to support NL. I certainly take your points Nick and don’t actually disagree. However these are the very reasons we are seeing the death of the high street and smaller independent retailers. Ultimately of course the PL will suffer catastrophically in the end as well. Pay TV audiences are already losing some interest due to lack of atmosphere and televised games - I.e. they are experiencing poorer quality product. This in turn will lead to a smaller Sky/BT deal next time around and reduced sponsorship for the clubs from Corporates worried about achieving less exposure. With lower TV and sponsorship revenue and a massive gap in crowd revenue then even the top clubs simply can’t pay £500,000 a week on a players salary and we may actually see some sanity return to the game.
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Sept 25, 2020 9:37:28 GMT
Should Amazon support other online retailers? Should Starbucks support independent coffee shops? Should Tesco’s support small greengrocers and butchers? I don’t see why football always gets a rough ride over what they should do. Don’t get me wrong I would love it if the PL helped out but ultimately they are a businesses run for profit. And apologies for picking up on your post, this is not aimed at you personally. I just don’t see the PL clubs feeling the obligation to support NL. I certainly take your points Nick and don’t actually disagree. However these are the very reasons we are seeing the death of the high street and smaller independent retailers. Ultimately of course the PL will suffer catastrophically in the end as well. Pay TV audiences are already losing some interest due to lack of atmosphere and televised games - I.e. they are experiencing poorer quality product. This in turn will lead to a smaller Sky/BT deal next time around and reduced sponsorship for the clubs from Corporates worried about achieving less exposure. With lower TV and sponsorship revenue and a massive gap in crowd revenue then even the top clubs simply can’t pay £500,000 a week on a players salary and we may actually see some sanity return to the game. I think you could be right about the sanity. We can all hope that doesn’t come as cost to clubs like ours, but there will be some casualties. I can also see the PL pushing to negotiate independent deals which will only open the gulf wider. Honestly I would love to see the PL put together a package to protect the lower leagues, I think it would be an amazing thing to do and not completely selfless. Maybe we won’t see many first team players from clubs like Sutton grace the PL (because they are normally snapped up earlier) but certainly without NL clubs and their youth teams there it will be harder for them to fill their academies. I’m sure I saw something about a few young players going to PL sides younger age groups.
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Post by sallycat on Sept 25, 2020 12:20:40 GMT
The very fact that we’re on this forum shows that a) we love SUFC and b) we love football. However let’s look at this through the lens of the general public. Yes lower and non-league football is an industry jeopardised by the virus just like many others and jobs are at risk. However is it not completely incongruous that the public purse will support the game when PL clubs are still paying multi million pound fees for players who they then pay literally millions of pounds a year to in wages. In some cases these same players steadfastly refuse to give up even a small percentage of their massively over inflated income. Football is different to many other threatened industries in that those at the very pinnacle still have the ability to support those lower down the ladder. They should but they don’t- it’s greed, pure and simple. Should Amazon support other online retailers? Should Starbucks support independent coffee shops? Should Tesco’s support small greengrocers and butchers? I don’t see why football always gets a rough ride over what they should do. Don’t get me wrong I would love it if the PL helped out but ultimately they are a businesses run for profit. And apologies for picking up on your post, this is not aimed at you personally. I just don’t see the PL clubs feeling the obligation to support NL. I see where you're coming from and don't completely disagree, but I wanted to point out that the examples you gave were direct competitors of the richer companies you mentioned. That's a very different circumstance. Not only is non-league and grassroots football not really competing with the Premier League for resources since fans will happily support teams from both at the same time, but also it can potentially develop and supply home-grown talent for it. Perhaps not a vast proportion, but several top flight players did once play non-league football. So we do give them something back. None of that means they're obliged to help, of course.
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Post by Andy K on Sept 25, 2020 12:40:09 GMT
When Macclesfield went pop a couple of weeks ago, there were some idiots who started slagging off PL sides for "not reaching into their pocket and saving the club" - these were not just Macc supporters either. Whilst I get the emotional side, aside from any obligation, the last thing the game needs at this time is to encourage financial mismanagement which is exactly what that action would have done.
This is different. This is an entire league, defined as elite sport by the government, (as is the PL) who cannot survive on TV money alone. Hopefully the FA should be talking with the PL and other stakeholder to see what they can do collectively to mitigate the current circumstances. The NL are not in competition with the PL in any shape or form (except when teams play each other in the FA cup) and maybe those higher PL clubs are being run as a business for profit, but that's not how the majority of their fans will see it, and certainly not when it comes to the transfer window when its a case of "spend spend spend" for success.
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Post by tonyd on Sept 25, 2020 13:33:16 GMT
Sadly, I agree with Nick the Greek on this. If the Premier clubs believed in a sort of brotherhood of football, they would still be in Division 1 of the Football League and treating domestic cups as first team competitions.
I cannot see that they have any reliance on non-league football. It may well be that we will lose many clubs as a result of this pandemic, exacerbated by incompetent government action, but there will still be football pitches, clubs and players and the best will still filter up to the top clubs.
If we get money from the Premier clubs, great, but the real enemy here is inappropriate and wrong headed regulations being foisted on us by poor government and lack of effective support from the FA to fight our cause.
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Post by Stewart on Sept 25, 2020 19:49:36 GMT
Channel 5 news tonight.
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Post by billy on Sept 25, 2020 21:11:08 GMT
It all started to go wrong when Sky got involved.How can it be right that any football club formed 100 plus years ago can go bust over an amount of money which is akin to a weekly wage for many players in the "greed is good" premier league?
I would like to see a maximum wage introduced of no more than 20 grand a week.I think anyone should be able to scrape by on that.
To take Macclesfield as an example,i saw them play at Craven Cottage in the late sixties.Fulham (including Johnny Haynes,George Cohen,Bobby Robson and Allan Clarke) were in the top flight and their opponents were non league.I don't know the exact figures but would guess the Fulham players wages were 10 times as much as Macclesfield.
Nowadays it's absolutely ridiculous what they are getting paid,it's a disgrace.
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Post by boomboom on Sept 25, 2020 21:46:27 GMT
I would be surprised if clubs will get 40k a month that seems to good to be true. Actually it’s £14,925 if divided equally between the 67 clubs. Top journalist forgets there’s 67 clubs in the NL set up. It looks like NL North and South clubs are going to be downgraded from Elite according to Ian ‘Moose’ Abrahams I suppose the other way of looking at all this is to consider how much would the Government would lose in revenue, ie VAT, income tax and (for the lucky few) Corporation Tax, if clubs were to go bust. In other words, can the Government afford NOT to support clubs?
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