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Post by trev on Sept 27, 2020 18:26:14 GMT
I suspect the vast majority of voters have other concerns to consider when voting in a general election. Precisely the point I made only yesterday i.e. "evidently that failed to capture the electorate's collective imagination."
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Post by markf on Sept 27, 2020 19:19:46 GMT
Not the only point of their manifesto plus bolt ons as we neared Election day that failed that test. I doubt that, on its own, was a game changer for many.
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Post by trev on Sept 27, 2020 19:22:20 GMT
Again, precisely the point I made yesterday. Equitable wealth distribution isn't on the agenda for many. Don't expect that to change any time soon.
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Post by markf on Sept 27, 2020 19:27:08 GMT
Doesn't exist anywhere does it? There is always someone at the top. Lenin, Stalin etc.
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Post by trev on Sept 27, 2020 19:31:42 GMT
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Post by os on Sept 27, 2020 22:36:58 GMT
"You can call some of this naive if you want to." Understatement of the week. Unfortunately, if you don't have a valid legal argument for changing the status quo, and if people collectively fail to support a political party which pledges to change that status quo, then all you're left with is empty polemic. The business person in me totally agrees with your view and of course the legal view. I guess legally the Queen could sell the crown jewels on eBay if she wanted, but that wouldn't be right. Football is played by Millions all over the world and 99% of it is supported by amateur or semi-pro clubs, If we were to watch the mass extinction of football at lower levels from kids, female, disabled, walking etc right up to National league and even FL, because they are who run all these things. I think we would start to see a backlash against the elite, and ultimately even they need fans albeit armchair ones.
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Post by trev on Sept 27, 2020 23:11:07 GMT
I hear you, os. Unfortunately, there is an ever increasing gap between the ideology and the reality. Every time an opportunity presents itself to redress the financial imbalance between the elite clubs and the amateur/semi-pro clubs, that opportunity is not taken.
Yes, some people have become increasingly alienated with Premiership football and have gravitated more towards non-league football. I swapped a season ticket at West Ham for a season ticket at Sutton several years ago because the soulless, corporate experience of the London Stadium left me cold, after decades of the passionate atmosphere at Upton Park.
But people like me remain in a decidedly small minority and I'm under no illusions about the ongoing lack of impetus and/or collective will for redressing the power imbalances and inequalities in football any time soon, for all the reasons I've already given in this thread. From where I'm standing, there's no revolution on the horizon.
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Post by localboy86 on Sept 28, 2020 9:25:08 GMT
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Post by trev on Sept 28, 2020 10:25:30 GMT
When the football pyramid has been so disproportionately top-heavy for decades, it's hardly surprising the foundation is now on the verge of collapse.... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54322650
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Post by tonyd on Sept 28, 2020 14:20:51 GMT
The business person in me totally agrees with your view and of course the legal view. I guess legally the Queen could sell the crown jewels on eBay if she wanted, but that wouldn't be right. Football is played by Millions all over the world and 99% of it is supported by amateur or semi-pro clubs, If we were to watch the mass extinction of football at lower levels from kids, female, disabled, walking etc right up to National league and even FL, because they are who run all these things. I think we would start to see a backlash against the elite, and ultimately even they need fans albeit armchair ones. [/quote][/div]
But that's not going to happen is it? The clubs that are suffering most are those that rely primarily on gate income, i.e. the EFL and the National League. I saw in this week's NLP similar comments to the one I made on this board some time ago, that lower league gates are increasing because it is not possible to go to the higher league games. 300 for the SCR v Met Pol game rather bears that out. This is just the law of supply and demand in action.
The reality is that we may lose clubs from the EFL/National which would be very bad, but grass roots football will continue. As for a backlash against the Premier League, just watch the people flood back when they are allowed to. Very few will give up their Premier club season tickets because the local disability team has folded.
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Post by trev on Sept 28, 2020 15:48:39 GMT
As much as I agree with most of what tonyd has just said, I ought to point out that SCR's gate for their recent match against Met Police was 300 because that was the cap placed on the maximum number of spectators allowed via compulsory advance ticket sales. So arguably not the best example of "the law of supply and demand in action", as supply was explicitly restricted.
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Post by jr on Sept 28, 2020 15:51:17 GMT
As much as I agree with most of what tonyd has just said, I ought to point out that SCR's gate for their recent match against Met Police was 300 because that was the cap placed on the maximum number of spectators allowed via compulsory advance ticket sales. So arguably not the best example of "the law of supply and demand in action", as supply was explicitly restricted. It was their record attendance though.
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Post by trev on Sept 28, 2020 16:16:38 GMT
I didn't know that, good on them. It's the 2nd consecutive season they've reached the 1st qualifying round of the FA cup and they're currently unbeaten in their division. A good example of a grassroots club gradually growing organically. I hope that continues.
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Post by os on Sept 28, 2020 18:06:00 GMT
How are FL 1 & 2 clubs surviving at the moment? I am hearing a lot of noise from the National (quite rightly) but not too much coming from the FL, what are they paying players with?
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Post by baboonfish on Sept 28, 2020 20:21:03 GMT
How are FL 1 & 2 clubs surviving at the moment? I am hearing a lot of noise from the National (quite rightly) but not too much coming from the FL, what are they paying players with? I expect the same as us, season ticket revenue from fans that thought they might be seeing some football soon. When that runs out it'll be like dominoes without intervention, be that govt or other. I for one see absolutely no point starting the NL and perhaps even L1 and 2 without fans. Revenue from streaming will be like plugging a dam with a box of tissues and most clubs without rich backers will be in administration well before Xmas. Just like my industry hospitality lower league football clubs are being hung out to dry. I'm not sure about the legalities of employment law around this but if the govt won't offer any sector specific support then the league should be suspended until the govt in their infinite wisdom allow us to get on with our lives, with clubs allowed to go into 'pause' in order to survive. The only way they will survive 6 months without fans or financial support is mothballballing. Starting the season helps nobody.
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