kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Aug 3, 2020 19:43:47 GMT
No pay at the gate. Season tickets for home supporters (max 750 as the club has said) and tickets for away supporters sent to their club for sale to their supporters. Assuming one-fifth of “capacity” that would be max 150 for visiting clubs and a total max gate of 900 spread around the ground. Yes but many clubs would simply fold under that scenario, Dover have put all players up for transfer and are saying they could go under at he end of the month. I am not happy with a slow death just to get back to football, I want to see all clubs at our level say to the NL, Prem League and the Gov that this is not good enough. And they will reply; "it's all we've got". I don't like the fact that that is what they will say, but it is what they will say. The clubs in the Conference are not holding any cards, here. We have nothing to bargain with. If we all decided not to play, because of lack of more support, we'd soon be finished as clubs anyway. In the league of the Govt. bailing out or supporting mothballed entertainment and cultural activities, we are very near the relegation zone. The only people who can't do without us are us.
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Post by os on Aug 3, 2020 22:40:51 GMT
Yes but many clubs would simply fold under that scenario, Dover have put all players up for transfer and are saying they could go under at he end of the month. I am not happy with a slow death just to get back to football, I want to see all clubs at our level say to the NL, Prem League and the Gov that this is not good enough. And they will reply; "it's all we've got". I don't like the fact that that is what they will say, but it is what they will say. The clubs in the Conference are not holding any cards, here. We have nothing to bargain with. If we all decided not to play, because of lack of more support, we'd soon be finished as clubs anyway. In the league of the Govt. bailing out or supporting mothballed entertainment and cultural activities, we are very near the relegation zone. The only people who can't do without us are us. I happen to think there is some flexibility, we need to stream matches live to those who either can't get in or to those and there will be many too worried about returning especially the vulnerable. The Prem league needs to come up with its fair share of cash and not the paltry amount handed last season which was just a advance which I guess will have been spent by most clubs already. Not only do the clubs suffer through no fault of their own, but the players suffer, and tbh there is so much money at the top end it need not be that way. Now is the time for all NL clubs to say/demand they want a fairer share of the cake.
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trev
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Post by trev on Aug 3, 2020 23:17:06 GMT
If NL teams start barring away fans from attending games as per your suggestion, then I suspect that requests for a fairer share of the cake will garner little or no sympathy.
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kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Aug 4, 2020 0:32:42 GMT
And they will reply; "it's all we've got". I don't like the fact that that is what they will say, but it is what they will say. The clubs in the Conference are not holding any cards, here. We have nothing to bargain with. If we all decided not to play, because of lack of more support, we'd soon be finished as clubs anyway. In the league of the Govt. bailing out or supporting mothballed entertainment and cultural activities, we are very near the relegation zone. The only people who can't do without us are us. I happen to think there is some flexibility, we need to stream matches live to those who either can't get in or to those and there will be many too worried about returning especially the vulnerable. The Prem league needs to come up with its fair share of cash and not the paltry amount handed last season which was just a advance which I guess will have been spent by most clubs already. Not only do the clubs suffer through no fault of their own, but the players suffer, and tbh there is so much money at the top end it need not be that way. Now is the time for all NL clubs to say/demand they want a fairer share of the cake. Well,I certainly hope some kind of dialogue could be opened with the Premier League. It would reflect very badly on them if lower division clubs get thrown to the wolves, if they keep hogging all of the cash. And it won't just be in the Conference. I dunno. The top flight is a pretty ruthless operation. But worth a try, definitely.
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tonyd
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Post by tonyd on Aug 4, 2020 9:50:51 GMT
Whilst I would also like to think that the Prem clubs would help out, I’ve got no expectation that they will. And apart from charity, why should they? They are awash with money because that is the competition that people want to see, and they pay out there Sky subs, buy overpriced replica shirts on a global basis. We are on BTSport for a reason and I don’t suppose many replica shirts go outside the country! And I can’t remember the last time I saw the Bobbins on TV.
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Post by os on Aug 4, 2020 22:22:10 GMT
If NL teams start barring away fans from attending games as per your suggestion, then I suspect that requests for a fairer share of the cake will garner little or no sympathy. I think you taking my point too literally, I just want to make sure all home supporters can get into the ground, I don't want the club turning away paying fans if that can be helped. One way of doing that is to allow streaming on a pay per view basis so as many as they like can watch, rather than just 50-100 etc. Its not about barring anyone as such its about maximizing revenue. To think at a time hen clubs will be cashed strapped to be turning away business as well, its like rubbing salt into the wounds.
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Post by os on Aug 4, 2020 22:36:16 GMT
Whilst I would also like to think that the Prem clubs would help out, I’ve got no expectation that they will. And apart from charity, why should they? They are awash with money because that is the competition that people want to see, and they pay out there Sky subs, buy overpriced replica shirts on a global basis. We are on BTSport for a reason and I don’t suppose many replica shirts go outside the country! And I can’t remember the last time I saw the Bobbins on TV. If it as pretty much any other business I would agree that its up to each company or club to fend for itself. But I think with football its a little different, the Prem league made all sorts of promises when it was formed when faced with questions such as grass roots football and taking revenue away from it. They have not come good with those promises and have not paid in anywhere near the amount they said they would. Its a bit like the pub trade, the rural smaller ones have been going out of business by the dozen every day, now they are starting to get community or protected status because of their value to the local community. Football is similar in a way that the Prem league is massive chain, but outside their bubble is a much bigger picture. I honestly think the prem league needs lower levels of football for its own good and genuinely feel it does owe those lower down the pyramid because it would not be the most watched league in the world if it did not have the many thousands of smaller clubs that make up English football.
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Post by davep on Aug 5, 2020 9:08:45 GMT
The Premier League also relies on non-league football to produce players like Michail Antonio and Jamie Vardy.
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trev
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Post by trev on Aug 5, 2020 11:42:42 GMT
If NL teams start barring away fans from attending games as per your suggestion, then I suspect that requests for a fairer share of the cake will garner little or no sympathy. I think you taking my point too literally, I just want to make sure all home supporters can get into the ground, I don't want the club turning away paying fans if that can be helped. One way of doing that is to allow streaming on a pay per view basis so as many as they like can watch, rather than just 50-100 etc. Its not about barring anyone as such its about maximizing revenue. To think at a time hen clubs will be cashed strapped to be turning away business as well, its like rubbing salt into the wounds. I have to say I'm very receptive to your suggestion of streaming games on a pay per view basis. Even as a season ticket holder, there are always a few home games I can't make, usually when I'm on holiday and I would definitely be interested in signing up for a service like that. In my view, there's no reason why home and away fans shouldn't be given the opportunity to attend games within the revised capacity limits, with the option of paying for a live streaming service for those unable to attend for any reason. Saying that, I think there's a strong argument for live streaming being available at a discount to season ticket holders.
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Post by Stewart on Aug 5, 2020 14:29:25 GMT
If NL teams start barring away fans from attending games as per your suggestion, then I suspect that requests for a fairer share of the cake will garner little or no sympathy. I think you taking my point too literally, I just want to make sure all home supporters can get into the ground, I don't want the club turning away paying fans if that can be helped . One way of doing that is to allow streaming on a pay per view basis so as many as they like can watch, rather than just 50-100 etc.Its not about barring anyone as such its about maximizing revenue. To think at a time hen clubs will be cashed strapped to be turning away business as well, its like rubbing salt into the wounds. What needs to be implemented to make it happen? Do SUFCTV have the resources or is it done by an outside company?
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kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Aug 5, 2020 14:53:46 GMT
The Premier League also relies on non-league football to produce players like Michail Antonio and Jamie Vardy. True, but they also have very strong academies. Currently rather underused academies that could easily be dipped into more often as a first team resource. I hate to be the voice of pessimism but I'm largely of Tonyd's opinion. I don't see why the Premier league would help us and I don't really see them doing it, other than something token to make them look not entirely indifferent. We're really on our own in this. If our level stared to disappear everyone would regard it as a great shame. But we'll be only one of many casualties in the forthcoming economic squeeze. And it will be regarded as 'inevitable'. Also, people tend to say 'if the demand is there, eventually we'll get it back again'. As though everything can return to how it was before. Which, famously, never actually happens.
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Post by os on Aug 5, 2020 17:29:34 GMT
I think you taking my point too literally, I just want to make sure all home supporters can get into the ground, I don't want the club turning away paying fans if that can be helped . One way of doing that is to allow streaming on a pay per view basis so as many as they like can watch, rather than just 50-100 etc.Its not about barring anyone as such its about maximizing revenue. To think at a time hen clubs will be cashed strapped to be turning away business as well, its like rubbing salt into the wounds. What needs to be implemented to make it happen? Do SUFCTV have the resources or is it done by an outside company? The problems are not really technical, more political, not my place to go into the details on here, but I urge clubs to be strong with appropriate authorities. I think it was Dos who said that NL needs to reset, that does not mean go bust or just lie down, we need to campaign and work for real change in the way in which football is divided up.
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Post by steveo77 on Aug 7, 2020 10:46:14 GMT
I think home fans should be allowed back for the start of the season - I think social distancing could work well and fairly easily at Sutton.
Only issue is the bar I would think. Not sure how that can work but certainly fans would not be able to access by the tunnel.
Regarding away fans I think they should be banned from all levels of football for the rest of the year. (Probably all season) Complete madness to encourage fans travelling around the country to watch football in the middle of a pandemic.
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Post by sallycat on Aug 7, 2020 12:31:36 GMT
While I don't entirely disagree with that, you can't stop people buying tickets and travelling. What's to stop 100 away fans getting tickets under the pretence of being home fans? Then potentially home fans could miss out.
A fair proportion of home fans would need to travel to watch games too.
Can see there's a great deal of thinking that needs to be done around how fans returning to games is going to be managed.
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Post by os on Aug 7, 2020 18:57:10 GMT
I think home fans should be allowed back for the start of the season - I think social distancing could work well and fairly easily at Sutton. I was thinking about how Social distancing at GGL could be done, I was quite please with myself until I realized it rains sometimes and then I imagined 600 fans x 2 packed into the GGL and Rec side terrace, so gave up It really is not an easy puzzle to solve unless you ignore the rules.
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