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Post by Stewart on Dec 23, 2020 18:21:18 GMT
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Post by Amber Aleman on Dec 23, 2020 18:44:46 GMT
That's a pain, but we can't do anything about it.
Having been up-to-date with our games early this month we'll be three behind by 3rd January.
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Post by os on Dec 23, 2020 18:50:53 GMT
What a mess, trying to talk commonsense to human beings seems to be a complete waste of time!
I didn't call it disaster December for nothing when the mad hatters opened the doors on Dec 2nd!!
I am really really p*ssed off.
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Post by Andy K on Dec 23, 2020 19:05:11 GMT
What a mess, trying to talk commonsense to human beings seems to be a complete waste of time! I didn't call it disaster December for nothing when the mad hatters opened the doors on Dec 2nd!! I am really really p*ssed off. It's 2 games being postponed. Surely in the context of that it's a bit of an overreaction! At least the away fixture will be a short journey.
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Post by os on Dec 23, 2020 19:19:03 GMT
What a mess, trying to talk commonsense to human beings seems to be a complete waste of time! I didn't call it disaster December for nothing when the mad hatters opened the doors on Dec 2nd!! I am really really p*ssed off. It's 2 games being postponed. Surely in the context of that it's a bit of an overreaction! At least the away fixture will be a short journey. The problem Andy is that I have been accused of over reacting since March, and look where we are today? Not aiming this at you but generally I don't think people can see further than their noses.
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Post by markf on Dec 23, 2020 19:38:27 GMT
If you had your way OS, we would have remained in lockdown for 9 months. If that had been the case we would be an even worse position as the economics of such an action would be even more intolerable than this is going to be as it is.
And that public you refer to would (in some circles) have taken even less notice than they currently do, as with no jobs to go to, and locked up indoors for all but an hour a day, would probably sent them mad.
Public health issues aren't just about the virus and the health of the nation isn't just about health of the body.
So, yeah, you over react and while my eyesight isn't as good as it was 20 years ago I can still see way past the end of my nose thanks.
I just wonder which university your PhD in epidemiology is from. And yes, I had to check the spelling.
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Dec 23, 2020 19:39:19 GMT
It's 2 games being postponed. Surely in the context of that it's a bit of an overreaction! At least the away fixture will be a short journey. The problem Andy is that I have been accused of over reacting since March, and look where we are today? Not aiming this at you but generally I don't think people can see further than their noses. I’m sure the circa 1500 fans that made it to the games are the reason we are in this mess. At that point shops were open, schools were open, work places were fully open, but maximum 2000 people in a football ground shouldn’t be allowed. Oh and the figures were nowhere near the level they are now. You are over reacting and massively generalising. Sounds like you are rubbing your hands with glee that this new strain has come about to try and claim you were right. Maybe we should wait for the green light from you, from when you feel comfortable before allowing fans back.
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Post by os on Dec 23, 2020 20:19:52 GMT
The problem Andy is that I have been accused of over reacting since March, and look where we are today? Not aiming this at you but generally I don't think people can see further than their noses. I’m sure the circa 1500 fans that made it to the games are the reason we are in this mess. At that point shops were open, schools were open, work places were fully open, but maximum 2000 people in a football ground shouldn’t be allowed. Oh and the figures were nowhere near the level they are now. You are over reacting and massively generalising. Sounds like you are rubbing your hands with glee that this new strain has come about to try and claim you were right. Maybe we should wait for the green light from you, from when you feel comfortable before allowing fans back. Not at all, I have never said that a few fans at a single club has caused this, its only part of a much larger picture. It has to be remembered that our club like many others needed a bail out from the public purse to survive (at least in its present form), that is not over reacting that is a fact. Another fact is that Australia has managed to deal with the virus in such a way as to allow 40,000+ fans into Sport and other events. We should all be back at football, schools and shops by now, the virus is not magic, but half hearted measures are simply extending the pain. All I have asked for is commonsense, and eyes open.
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Dec 23, 2020 20:44:12 GMT
I’m sure the circa 1500 fans that made it to the games are the reason we are in this mess. At that point shops were open, schools were open, work places were fully open, but maximum 2000 people in a football ground shouldn’t be allowed. Oh and the figures were nowhere near the level they are now. You are over reacting and massively generalising. Sounds like you are rubbing your hands with glee that this new strain has come about to try and claim you were right. Maybe we should wait for the green light from you, from when you feel comfortable before allowing fans back. Not at all, I have never said that a few fans at a single club has caused this, its only part of a much larger picture. It has to be remembered that our club like many others needed a bail out from the public purse to survive (at least in its present form), that is not over reacting that is a fact. Another fact is that Australia has managed to deal with the virus in such a way as to allow 40,000+ fans into Sport and other events. We should all be back at football, schools and shops by now, the virus is not magic, but half hearted measures are simply extending the pain. All I have asked for is commonsense, and eyes open. I’m confused what point you are trying to make about the bailout. However comparing Australia to UK is like me saying we must be handling it better than the US because we have less cases and less deaths. I don’t think either of us disagree the handling of this has been shambolic at best but feel going to stand outside, limited numbers, sensible precautions to watch a game of football was one of the less risky things to do.
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Post by os on Dec 23, 2020 21:09:13 GMT
Not at all, I have never said that a few fans at a single club has caused this, its only part of a much larger picture. It has to be remembered that our club like many others needed a bail out from the public purse to survive (at least in its present form), that is not over reacting that is a fact. Another fact is that Australia has managed to deal with the virus in such a way as to allow 40,000+ fans into Sport and other events. We should all be back at football, schools and shops by now, the virus is not magic, but half hearted measures are simply extending the pain. All I have asked for is commonsense, and eyes open. I’m confused what point you are trying to make about the bailout. However comparing Australia to UK is like me saying we must be handling it better than the US because we have less cases and less deaths. I don’t think either of us disagree the handling of this has been shambolic at best but feel going to stand outside, limited numbers, sensible precautions to watch a game of football was one of the less risky things to do. Nothing wrong with what you have said, but unfortunately not every person is sensible and those people cannot be allowed access to places such as football grounds. The only way to stop the idiots is to stop everyone until we have this under control. Just one look at the other thread shows you the sort of people I am talking about. I want us all to be able to go back to football and normal life, all we really need is 28 days of nothing followed by Google/Apple tracking and proper enforcement rules. I am frustrated because we just can't seem to get that done.
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Post by jr on Dec 24, 2020 10:00:39 GMT
Anyway back to Bromley. They got their results quick after playing Hemel the night before in the Trophy! Yeovil had to pull out of the Trophy as their results didn't come back quick enough.
St Albans have had 2 players test positive so their next 2 games are postponed, the first of which is against Hemel!
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Post by Andy K on Dec 24, 2020 10:18:58 GMT
I’m confused what point you are trying to make about the bailout. However comparing Australia to UK is like me saying we must be handling it better than the US because we have less cases and less deaths. I don’t think either of us disagree the handling of this has been shambolic at best but feel going to stand outside, limited numbers, sensible precautions to watch a game of football was one of the less risky things to do. Nothing wrong with what you have said, but unfortunately not every person is sensible and those people cannot be allowed access to places such as football grounds. The only way to stop the idiots is to stop everyone until we have this under control. Just one look at the other thread shows you the sort of people I am talking about. I want us all to be able to go back to football and normal life, all we really need is 28 days of nothing followed by Google/Apple tracking and proper enforcement rules. I am frustrated because we just can't seem to get that done. Australia are in the middle of summer. Their cases peaked in their winter (August time). Our cases started to rise in September, and continued to do so. I don't think it's any coincidence that those rises match exactly with schools opening and staying open. And it's no coincidence that the increase in rises has been replicated by pattern for most of Europe. Whilst I understand your position OS and understand that you are not happy, the salient point is that letting a small number of people into an open ground like ours is insignificant on transmission rates locally, never mind nationally and the club has worked hard to possibly make the ground the safest public environment in the borough. Sadly, the virus flourishes on those selfish people who decide to ignore every medical recommendation, usually for stupid reasons exactly as you pointed out on the other thread. But having been to both the games, I can assure you that those people have not been welcome at the club. You certainly have some valid points, but in the context of Sutton United, it is a bit of shouting at the wrong people.
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Post by scorpioeyes on Dec 24, 2020 11:58:56 GMT
you all fall in to the trap of mixing up 'cases' with illness and death. The latter is what 's relevant,not the former!fact is,only a tiny percentage who get the virus will be seriously ill. The average age of death is 83 with 2.6 co-morbidities.If you're overweight,diabetic,have lung or heart problems,then sure,you must be careful,but that goes without saying anyway. The PCR test is not a reliable way to see who has the virus and this test is what's driving policy.Should we breathalyse all motorists to find traces of alcohol? of course not,yet a sip of wine will show a reading,which doesnt make the driver a danger,unlike the who has had a bottle of wine then drives. This whole thing is a massive over-reaction,caused by initial and ongoing fear mongering based on neil ferguson and his false modelling. It is also the case that there is no scientific evidence to support the idea that asymptomatic people spread the virus.
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Post by Andy K on Dec 24, 2020 12:14:09 GMT
you all fall in to the trap of mixing up 'cases' with illness and death. The latter is what 's relevant,not the former!fact is,only a tiny percentage who get the virus will be seriously ill. The average age of death is 83 with 2.6 co-morbidities.If you're overweight,diabetic,have lung or heart problems,then sure,you must be careful,but that goes without saying anyway. The PCR test is not a reliable way to see who has the virus and this test is what's driving policy.Should we breathalyse all motorists to find traces of alcohol? of course not,yet a sip of wine will show a reading,which doesnt make the driver a danger,unlike the who has had a bottle of wine then drives. This whole thing is a massive over-reaction,caused by initial and ongoing fear mongering based on neil ferguson and his false modelling. It is also the case that there is no scientific evidence to support the idea that asymptomatic people spread the virus. There is plenty of scientific evidence that they can. And bearing in mind a thread posted by DaveF today, your post is in bad taste.
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Post by trev on Dec 24, 2020 12:24:46 GMT
you all fall in to the trap of mixing up 'cases' with illness and death. The latter is what 's relevant,not the former!fact is,only a tiny percentage who get the virus will be seriously ill. The average age of death is 83 with 2.6 co-morbidities.If you're overweight,diabetic,have lung or heart problems,then sure,you must be careful,but that goes without saying anyway. The PCR test is not a reliable way to see who has the virus and this test is what's driving policy.Should we breathalyse all motorists to find traces of alcohol? of course not,yet a sip of wine will show a reading,which doesnt make the driver a danger,unlike the who has had a bottle of wine then drives. This whole thing is a massive over-reaction,caused by initial and ongoing fear mongering based on neil ferguson and his false modelling. It is also the case that there is no scientific evidence to support the idea that asymptomatic people spread the virus. This is dangerous misinformation. Just three days ago (on 21 December 2020), the BMJ, a weekly peer-reviewed medical trade journal published by the British Medical Association, reiterated in an editorial entitled "Asymptomatic transmission of covid-19" that it remains "unclear to what extent people with no symptoms transmit SARS-Cov-2" and that "No test of infection or infectiousness is currently available for routine use. As things stand, a person who tests positive with any kind of test may or may not have an active infection with live virus, and may or may not be infectious."Source: www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851Unless you are a scientist with a working specialty in epidemiology in possession of incontrovertible evidence which confirms that asymptomatic people do not spread the virus, then you should refrain from saying so. As has been brought home in the starkest terms on this forum in the last 24 hours, this damn thing kills our nearest and dearest.
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