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Post by davep on Jan 31, 2023 10:51:08 GMT
I believe that Lee Angol has been playing on the left wing for Bradford this season.
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Post by baboonfish on Jan 31, 2023 10:54:28 GMT
Unless you're gonna count 1000s of hours wasted on football manager, and running a Sunday league side then no, you are correct in your assumption. At what point did I say I expect a perfect success rate? You really don't seem to understand my point of view, which is inquisitive rather than overtly critical (although criticism is part of inquisition). I like to analyse and debate rather than blindly praise. I just find it interesting that the club signed these players. Thomas is a static target man, whereas our system requires mobility. Kendall I could understand as he had pace and on another occasion may have worked out. Yes there were some good signings and ones for the future, but it was a poor transfer window by Matt's lofty standards. I'm not sure how that is even debatable. I understand your point of view but fundamentally disagree. You seem to be operating on the basis you have some sort of superiority by offering a critique of the club. I also like to analyse and debate. Hence my objection to what you wrote: Your posted started as follows: where do you think it went so wrong in the summer with recruitment? And went on to accuse the management of panicking. The biggest thing you’ve overlooked is the most important factor in recruitment is overwhelmingly retention. The fact is we’re doing well and therefore to speak of something going so wrong as if we’d had some sort of disaster and were rooted to the bottom of the league is in my view nonsense. You fundamentally misunderstand. I'm talking about incoming players, and retention has nothing to do with it. 4 of the arrivals were failures (look up the definition), which is an anomaly and I'm interested in why. Matt's proven to be an astute at transfer dealings, and clearly the club recognises these players weren't a good fit as he trying to move at least 3 of them on, maybe all 4, (although I can't see anyone taking a gamble on Pierre if they have to pay his wages). One of the things i love about Matt is he doesn't seem to make snap judgements, but he is not afraid to make major moves where necessary. Part of that is admitting where things haven't quite gone to plan. Anyway, I don't really see much point in continuing this debate as trying to discuss any vaguely negative point on this forum is a waste of time.
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Post by garethl on Jan 31, 2023 11:53:58 GMT
I understand your point of view but fundamentally disagree. You seem to be operating on the basis you have some sort of superiority by offering a critique of the club. I also like to analyse and debate. Hence my objection to what you wrote: Your posted started as follows: where do you think it went so wrong in the summer with recruitment? And went on to accuse the management of panicking. The biggest thing you’ve overlooked is the most important factor in recruitment is overwhelmingly retention. The fact is we’re doing well and therefore to speak of something going so wrong as if we’d had some sort of disaster and were rooted to the bottom of the league is in my view nonsense. You fundamentally misunderstand. I'm talking about incoming players, and retention has nothing to do with it. 4 of the arrivals were failures (look up the definition), which is an anomaly and I'm interested in why. Matt's proven to be an astute at transfer dealings, and clearly the club recognises these players weren't a good fit as he trying to move at least 3 of them on, maybe all 4, (although I can't see anyone taking a gamble on Pierre if they have to pay his wages). One of the things i love about Matt is he doesn't seem to make snap judgements, but he is not afraid to make major moves where necessary. Part of that is admitting where things haven't quite gone to plan. Anyway, I don't really see much point in continuing this debate as trying to discuss any vaguely negative point on this forum is a waste of time. Suggest you don’t waste your time then. I don’t understand how you’re quite content to put your negative view across but don’t seem to think it’s ok to have a different more positive view. If you just want to put these scathing comments across and expect everyone to just agree with you I think you’re in the wrong place. Ironic since you said you like to debate. I suggest you look up the definition of failure (condescending line if ever there was one) if you think Pierre is already defined as one. You may well have been talking about incomings - I broadened the discussion and pointed out in recruitment terms retention far more important for us over the summer. Hard to talk about incomings without the context of the fact we’ve still got a very good first team set rolling over (who we have likely had to reward appropriately to retain in many cases). Job well done. Let us know when you’ve worked out why we brought all these failures in and what the lessons are that we can learn. Do you actually expect answers to that on here? Some signings won’t work out - it’s football. Funnily the signing I’ve been least impressed with doesn’t get a mention 😂
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Post by davep on Jan 31, 2023 13:07:47 GMT
I'm guessing that the club is already intending to do this - but hopefully there will be something put on the website or twitter later today/tomorrow if there are any outgoings today.
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Post by Andy K on Jan 31, 2023 13:53:38 GMT
I'm guessing that the club is already intending to do this - but hopefully there will be something put on the website or twitter later today/tomorrow if there are any outgoings today. If there are any of course. They do of course do that whenever there is an outgoing, regardless of when it happens.
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Post by davep on Jan 31, 2023 15:38:53 GMT
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Post by baboonfish on Jan 31, 2023 17:25:02 GMT
You fundamentally misunderstand. I'm talking about incoming players, and retention has nothing to do with it. 4 of the arrivals were failures (look up the definition), which is an anomaly and I'm interested in why. Matt's proven to be an astute at transfer dealings, and clearly the club recognises these players weren't a good fit as he trying to move at least 3 of them on, maybe all 4, (although I can't see anyone taking a gamble on Pierre if they have to pay his wages). One of the things i love about Matt is he doesn't seem to make snap judgements, but he is not afraid to make major moves where necessary. Part of that is admitting where things haven't quite gone to plan. Anyway, I don't really see much point in continuing this debate as trying to discuss any vaguely negative point on this forum is a waste of time. Suggest you don’t waste your time then. I don’t understand how you’re quite content to put your negative view across but don’t seem to think it’s ok to have a different more positive view. If you just want to put these scathing comments across and expect everyone to just agree with you I think you’re in the wrong place. Ironic since you said you like to debate. I suggest you look up the definition of failure (condescending line if ever there was one) if you think Pierre is already defined as one. You may well have been talking about incomings - I broadened the discussion and pointed out in recruitment terms retention far more important for us over the summer. Hard to talk about incomings without the context of the fact we’ve still got a very good first team set rolling over (who we have likely had to reward appropriately to retain in many cases). Job well done. Let us know when you’ve worked out why we brought all these failures in and what the lessons are that we can learn. Do you actually expect answers to that on here? Some signings won’t work out - it’s football. Funnily the signing I’ve been least impressed with doesn’t get a mention 😂 Where am I saying it's "not OK" to disagree with me. Where do I "expect" answers? Certainly not going to get them from you. All I get is people being defensive when I question a below par summer transfer window. Apparently it went well. So well, in fact, that we've tried to off at least 4 of them. This forum is not a place anyone wants to hear the slightest bit of negativity. Are you scared to admit which player has not impressed you? It can only be Ward or Neufville. Why don't you come out and say it? Because it would be too negative and the 'club can do no wrong' brigade might exile you?
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Post by brisfitboy on Jan 31, 2023 17:40:54 GMT
I think that one should close this particular conversation as it is getting silly. It basically comes down to, yes we have made some good transactions and yes some are maybe not so good. We all have our own interpretations of the movements but they have been completed so let’s move on with no recriminations on either side whatever rancour.
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Post by garethl on Jan 31, 2023 18:08:40 GMT
I’m happy to leave it there and not bore everyone else but for the record I have no issue with people criticising the club, quite the opposite, I think it adds some interest. And also can lead to positive change.
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Post by brisfitboy on Jan 31, 2023 18:14:58 GMT
I actually meant at the end “without rancour”, there shouldn’t be any nastinesses on this site.
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Post by Andy K on Jan 31, 2023 18:26:37 GMT
Transfer news due at 630. News of in and out
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Post by Andy K on Jan 31, 2023 18:37:32 GMT
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Post by toothman on Jan 31, 2023 18:53:52 GMT
Lewis Ward never inspired me with any great confidence even though his distribution from the hand is/was better than Jack’s. He didn’t really seize the opportunities he had with Jack’s injuries and his high ball flap at Salford , which gave them the second goal, was inexcusable especially as he is such a tall lad. ( It was the final nail in his coffin which reminded me a little of Worner’s‘ keepy uppy antics against Leyton Orient in the NL which I said at the time was one of the most inexplicable things anyone has done in a Sutton shirt). Jack’s relatively lower centre of gravity and shot stopping makes him our no 1 as surely his contender for save of the season on Saturday confirms
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Post by andycapp on Jan 31, 2023 19:15:12 GMT
Today’s close of the transfer window has so far seen two players depart the VBS Community Stadium and one arrive.
Goalkeeper Lewis Ward has left the club after it was mutually agreed to terminate his contract. Our thanks to Lewis for his efforts while with us since joining us from Swindon in August and we wish him every success in the future.
In his place Matt Gray has moved to sign Tyla Dickinson on loan from Wycombe Wanderers until the end of the season. The 21-year-old is in his second season at Adams Park and last season was on loan at Hayes & Yeading during which time he played against U's in the FA Cup.
Meanwhile Tobi Ogundega has joined Southern League Salisbury on loan, initially for a month. The teenage defender, who was signed from MK Dons in the summer, has already had a loan spell at Kingstonian this season.
Any further moves will appear on the website if and when they are confirmed.
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Post by davep on Jan 31, 2023 19:17:53 GMT
Jack and Lewis both came to Sutton for more game-time - so it was never going to work out for one of them. Don't know much about Tyla - but to my mind, Brad is a good enough back up to Jack in any case. Based on what was stated on the website, I don't think Matt's evening is over yet. Suspect he may be working on a potential deal for Aaron - maybe Luke as well. Hope Tobi's short-term loan works out well for him. I see that Peterborough have signed Kabongo Tshimanga from Chesterfield - more competition for David next season.
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