grunt
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Post by grunt on Jan 13, 2008 15:40:42 GMT
No problem, we all want us to do well and football is all about opinions and this is why this forum is here. I just felt that it was a little harsh on the defence. )
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Post by os on Jan 13, 2008 17:07:09 GMT
I agree with most of what Grunt says, I think we have the best back 4 we had for a while earning their spurs in both games against Hampton and St Albans withstanding an incredible amount of pressure. We need Ug in the middle with Bash we are not the same side without the pair of them in their. Lee Maskel is not for me sorry cannot see what he brings to the side, Jason and Warren are excellent players but neither are hurting the opposition, Warren is far too wide and Jason lacks experience. Craig is too isolated much of the time although for me is the signing of the season. Nicky Greene I think is rather hit and miss he needs to be far more consistent but he may not being help by lack of movement giving him few options, this just leads to the aimless long ball up to Craig and I think to combat this I would play Harry off Craig's shoulder or Bring Warren into the centre with Craig. I have been pondering this for a while if you look at our combinations you can pack the midfield and you can provide width but nothing provides support to Craig and thats why we struggle to score and breakdown the opposition. I think we would score more if we sacrificed a bit of width by not playing JH or sacrificing Nicky in midfield which would give us the long ball option with plenty of width and Harry playing off Craig.
So I go for:
1 Phil Wilson
2 Dean Sammut 3 Alan Bray 4 Jack Haverson 5 John Scarborough
6 Bashiru Alimi 7 Paul Honey 11 Warren McBean 8 Jason Henry / Nicky Greene / goodchild
9 Harry Ottaway 10 Craig Dundas
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Post by papilon on Jan 13, 2008 18:11:00 GMT
I agree with most of what Grunt says, I think we have the best back 4 we had for a while earning their spurs in both games against Hampton and St Albans withstanding an incredible amount of pressure. We need Ug in the middle with Bash we are not the same side without the pair of them in their. Lee Maskel is not for me sorry cannot see what he brings to the side, Jason and Warren are excellent players but neither are hurting the opposition, Warren is far too wide and Jason lacks experience. Craig is too isolated much of the time although for me is the signing of the season. Nicky Greene I think is rather hit and miss he needs to be far more consistent but he may not being help by lack of movement giving him few options, this just leads to the aimless long ball up to Craig and I think to combat this I would play Harry off Craig's shoulder or Bring Warren into the centre with Craig. I have been pondering this for a while if you look at our combinations you can pack the midfield and you can provide width but nothing provides support to Craig and thats why we struggle to score and breakdown the opposition. I think we would score more if we sacrificed a bit of width by not playing JH or sacrificing Nicky in midfield which would give us the long ball option with plenty of width and Harry playing off Craig. So I go for: 1 Phil Wilson 2 Dean Sammut 3 Alan Bray 4 Jack Haverson 5 John Scarborough 6 Bashiru Alimi 7 Paul Honey 11 Warren McBean 8 Jason Henry / Nicky Greene / goodchild 9 Harry Ottaway 10 Craig Dundas
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Post by papilon on Jan 13, 2008 18:13:41 GMT
i agree with grunt and os, the youngsters have proved their worth and its time to put harry in the starting line up too at least he knows how to pass a ball instead of running round every player on the pitch and loosing possesion. does ernie read any of this?
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markf
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Post by markf on Jan 13, 2008 18:42:11 GMT
Ernie may read this but what makes you think that he thinks we are all experts?
Personally, if you're looking for a guy to play with CD up front, I'd go for Warren (who had his best game in ages yesterday) & try LW on the left.
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Gareth
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Post by Gareth on Jan 13, 2008 20:34:31 GMT
That all depends on which Warren turns up Mark - can we really afford to carry any players at this stage of the season? The only way we're going to stay up is if we have 11 lads on the pitch busting their guts for each other.
Harry's done brilliantly since he's come in, but Ernie's got to be careful that we're not putting too much pressure on such young shoulders, especially if the goals don't come. We saw what happened to Steve Douglas and Zak Graham after they hadn't scored in their first few games - I think Harry is a much better prospect than either of those two, but I'd still like to see an experienced striker partnering Craig up front for the time being.
We also need another centre-back (if Jack has to go back) and another midfielder asap
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grunt
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Post by grunt on Jan 13, 2008 21:38:59 GMT
As I said before football is about opinions and pretty much everyone has got one. With regards to Warren, if he were to pass now and again instead of trying to take on everyone until he eventualy loses the ball, possession and momentum along with frustrating the rest of the players who have busted a gut to get up in support only to find that his self indulgance has now left them hopelessly out of position or if he were to at least make an effort to win the ball back once he lost it, he would then become one of my favourite players who wouldn`t look out of place at a higher level. To say that was his best game in ages says it all really because for me it was well below what he is capable of. When things are going great its easy, when its not going so well thats when you find out who your real players are.
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Post by medibot on Jan 14, 2008 0:44:14 GMT
To be fair to Wozza, i recall a couple of times this weekend where he ran his arse off to get back and at least one time where he won the ball back. I'd like to think that shows a positive change in his play and attitude but he has to start scoring very soon.
That said, if a player with his raw talent had the brain to go with it and make the right decisions, he wouldn't be anywhere near a Sutton side and he'd be earning his living from football not playing semi pro for Sutton United.
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Post by Del on Jan 14, 2008 6:53:01 GMT
We need another striker urgently,another mid field player and cover for the full backs. Harry is fine on the bench but to play him for 90 mins. is too soon at present.
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grunt
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Post by grunt on Jan 14, 2008 10:44:50 GMT
Absolutly nothing wrong with Wozza`s ability he has an abundance of it. Tracking back a couple of times in a game is as you say a positive change in his play and attitude but a "couple of times" still falls a long way short of what is required. I agree 100% with if he can get his football brain to match his football ability he would be playing at a higher level. I disagree with the Harry comment in so much as, to just play him for 15-20 mins a game is probably going to do more harm than good in the long run. He is keen to impress and sooner or later that will start to fade especially if he keeps sitting in a cold dug out for a hour and is then expected to go on and perform, only to do the same the following week. He played a full game against FGR, where we only had 10 players for most of the game and gave a good account of himself.He also played nearly all the game when we beat H&R. Even if he were to start and be given a half and if he`s doing OK see how it pans out, otherwise his sharpness will start to slip away if he`s not playing more. 15-20 mins football is not enough week in week out. Also if he sees other players being given full games who really aren`t delivering the goods ( Lee Maskell for instance ) he could start to feel he`s wasting his time. I`m not saying he should at this stage be playing a full game every week but maybe give a bit more than what he`s getting at the moment especially if it might benefit the team? ?
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Post by markf on Jan 14, 2008 18:09:44 GMT
Gareth, I was basing WM's inclusion on yesterday, the fact that we know he can & on the present squad availabilty. I think Harry gives us something off the bench, later in the game, especially if its tight (Maidenhead & St Albans). It's how U's introduced Micky Joyce, who Harry has some similarities to, to the team years ago & it didn't do him any harm.
I think the couple of times when he has played most or all the game he has not made as much impact - that will come.
I am aware of WM's current form & even raised his apparent motivation issues. They seem to be less obvious on Saturday, even though we were getting stuffed.
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