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Post by jamesshot on Aug 28, 2018 10:28:43 GMT
Not a lot that Aldershot Town can do about facilities as the council own it. Perhaps the new changes the council have proposed to make to the ground will greatly improve things but that won’t be anytime soon if they do come through. Had the weather been adverse we wouldn’t expect fans to be stood in the open, the East Bank would have been used to provide shelter, but you didn’t need it so not sure why you are whinging, there are grounds in this league that provide no shelter at all for away fans.
Anyway to the game, in real time from my view the red card looked like a yellow, but having seen a video from our young vlogger there is a very small clip of the tackle which shows Collins right leg being knee high with his studs showing and the ref had a perfect view of that, no control of the tackle which nowadays equals a red card. The penalty like many I was watching the ball which was half way up the pitch, but from what I’ve been told your player was needlessly pushed over off the ball so no complaints, was stupid and gave you a small chance of salvaging a point that you wouldn’t have deserved.
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Post by Del on Aug 28, 2018 11:59:57 GMT
Not a lot that Aldershot Town can do about facilities as the council own it. Perhaps the new changes the council have proposed to make to the ground will greatly improve things but that won’t be anytime soon if they do come through. Had the weather been adverse we wouldn’t expect fans to be stood in the open, the East Bank would have been used to provide shelter, but you didn’t need it so not sure why you are whinging, there are grounds in this league that provide no shelter at all for away fans. Anyway to the game, in real time from my view the red card looked like a yellow, but having seen a video from our young vlogger there is a very small clip of the tackle which shows Collins right leg being knee high with his studs showing and the ref had a perfect view of that, no control of the tackle which nowadays equals a red card. The penalty like many I was watching the ball which was half way up the pitch, but from what I’ve been told your player was needlessly pushed over off the ball so no complaints, was stupid and gave you a small chance of salvaging a point that you wouldn’t have deserved. Well maybe if you had the same arrangements you have had for the last few years our supporters would have had access to the bar and improved toilet facilities. Its not as though we have a history of causing trouble and in the Ryman league days you didn't segregate ! |
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Post by sallycat on Aug 28, 2018 12:20:02 GMT
Good to hear improvements are planned. There's plenty of room at that end so hopefully they will install some proper toilets!
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Post by markf on Aug 28, 2018 15:35:38 GMT
Where do you start? We had to lose sometime I suppose but a bit galling to do so in the manner that we did yesterday. Not helped by yet another awful performance from Mr Brook, who, for me, wasn't good enough for the NLS let alone a step up.
The game changing decision may have or may have not been correct; depends on your point of view I suppose. It wasn't the best of challenges but we have seen far worse both during the WC and more recently the PL when a red wasn't shown. Not saying that's right but it really doesn't help players know where they stand. Skip at least looked to be trying to make the ball unlike Capoue on Saha but sadly the inconsistencies of officiating have thus existed for many a moon and will continue to do so. No one is infallible. However, had Brook seen the obvious foul on Skip just a minute earlier this wouldn't have happened. Paul L has a marvellous photo of the Aldershot player grabbing JC who is looking at the ball as it plummets to earth; the Aldershot player is just looking at JC and that holding continued to the point the ball was in playing distance. Dos got up and had a go, Brook points at him and seconds later in comes the challenge.
Then there was the continuous holding of Ross L that was totally ignored by Brook and when Dos uses the 4th official to demonstrate he gets a yellow card (read the Aldershot forum and you'd think Dos had half murdered the fella - but then their forum has many a buffoon on it as their comments on their team's performance confirm). Ironic that the very next ball in and Ross finally gets a free-kick; pure comedy from Brook.
Late on we get a penalty for an off the ball incident. Sorry but if deemed illegal it can only be violent conduct as the ball is nowhere near the incident and therefore that is a red card not the yellow Brook showed. But then this is Mr Brook who makes the rest of the idiots the FA appoints to matches in the NL appear to be budding brain surgeons. I have never liked him. His whole demeanour smacks of arrogance and he has very little to be arrogant about. You're in your mid-40's mate (at least) you're not going any higher 'cos you're out of your depth already.
The match itself had been almost devoid of incident before the red card. Neither side had played well enough with Shots firing a couple of crosses across the goal and Harry B bringing out a decent save from Cole. If anything, U's were slightly the better team ploughing up the slope on what is a fantastic surface.
Shame Sutton couldn't hold out until ht but another cross that really had to be cut out found Rendell to convert from very close range. Dos made all three changes at the break but with the man and goal advantage Aldershot were happy to sit deep and break when allowed. A poor defensive header set them up for one such break and it was 2-0 and tbh, game over.
Sutton kept going. Dean B would have hoped to have hit the target with his header while Ross L fired over what was more than a presentable chance which in hindsight may have earned U's a point considering what occurred five minutes later. He did show that we have another penalty taker though with a very cool spot kick.
Meanwhile Mr Brook began totting up his yellow card count as Aldershot quite blatantly wasted time (and how did Rendell not get booked in those closing stages?) as they hung on against the ten men. And that's where their forum posters need to take a reality check. They reckon their team was good. Er, against ten men for 60 odd minutes and at the end desperately wasting time to see the match out? Without doubt the weakest team we have played this season. As I said, galling.
And what has happened to Aldershot and the way they treat away fans? Ok, we had the issues at the FA Cup tie but the last two NL matches have been fine. There is no history of trouble between the two sets of fans but suddenly access to the bar and therefore tea bar and decent loos verbotten. What we got was a set of portaloos off the nearest building site (and they couldn't even manage to offer a separate one for the ladies as the new fashion of shared facilities makes it to The Rec. That's disgusting. I wonder how the board members of Aldershot would react if their wives (or indeed lady members of the board) were presented with that! I know the facilities at GGL ain't great but at least there is a degree of separation.
The tea was lukewarm half an hour before k.o and the food offering limited to say the least. They ran out of tickets and they ran out of programmes (both issues were resolved I believe). Only one gate open and of course the figure of 258 away fans was laughable, especially as my mate said the turnstile fella had said he had seen 300 through and there was still a fair queue behind him.
Finally, the walk up the hill may have been difficult for some but I wouldn't fancy that stepped pathway entrance to the gate on an icy afternoon in Jan/Feb. The LBS H&S fella would be licking his lips and chuckling manically if The Rec was on his patch.
All in all not a great BH experience. Still winning at Aldershot is not what Sutton do and the footballing gods were not with us. Still, I know who I'd rather be out of the two and it ain't The Shots.
Onto the league leaders on Saturday.
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Post by markf on Aug 28, 2018 15:40:08 GMT
Had the weather been adverse we wouldn’t expect fans to be stood in the open, the East Bank would have been used to provide shelter, but you didn’t need it so not sure why you are whinging, there are grounds in this league that provide no shelter at all for away fans. And that's where you're wrong mate. The supervising steward told us it wouldn't be open because they didn't have enough stewards. |
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Post by jamesshot on Aug 28, 2018 16:14:24 GMT
Had the weather been adverse we wouldn’t expect fans to be stood in the open, the East Bank would have been used to provide shelter, but you didn’t need it so not sure why you are whinging, there are grounds in this league that provide no shelter at all for away fans. And that's where you're wrong mate. The supervising steward told us it wouldn't be open because they didn't have enough stewards. That is true that there is a lack of stewards. One of our directors’ company handles event security but since he’s stepped down the company no longer work with us. But we’ve had matches where the weather has been not quite so dry and away supporters were sheltered. When shelter isn’t needed or when away numbers don’t exceed 400 away support stand on the slab and for those games we have a few more stewards, but the club won’t use more stewards if they don’t need them. Having been close to brink I think you’ll understand why Aldershot won’t overspend on such things. As for the comments on the bar, that’s not our decision, that comes from the police who tell us when we have to segregate the games. |
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Post by halftimet on Aug 28, 2018 16:20:36 GMT
This was a poor Sutton performance clouded by the sending off of Jamie Collins. We were not our normal selves before that and lacked any sort of width today. Ok so the right back change was enforced but i was surprised when Dos said that Clough has played there before. On about 25 minutes he had a perfect opportunity to cross the ball in with 4 of our players waiting and he opted for a backwards pass to Davis which came to nothing. We were laboured in all our attacks and that move just summed it up. It was a most frustrating game to watch. Beautyman running his socks off but not achieving anything. When are we going to see Wayne Brown & Jonah Ayunga. Ok rant over but very disappointed overall against a poor Aldershot side. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I agree Charlie Clough did not look comfortable at left back and thought Beckwith had been included to combat an aerial threat. we now know why Dale B was not available.
Would it have been more effective to play one of the left backs (Thomas or Wishart) at right back at least they could cut inside on an attack and provide width?
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Post by pinewalker on Aug 28, 2018 16:41:44 GMT
Since I get the local rag for Aldershot, I knew that the 2 nearest turnstiles had been changed from Away fans to South Stand admittance. I decided to buy a seat in the South stand above the bar we usually use. The bar was open but there was no food at all and no hot drinks. I had not realised until reading this what lucky decision that was. And what a pointless hike the Sutton fans had to their usual steps.
Someone spotted my Sutton tie and said "Welcome young man". Which - since I am 70 - is not a common greeting nowadays - but I could see what he meant. As I hopped over the walking sticks to reach my seat I was surrounded by Gerry (Attrick) and the Pacemakers. For £16 concessions and £18 full price if conditions don't improve for away fans I commend this alternative next time. The back row was empty - the patrons run out of puff before they get that high.
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Post by johnnie1 on Aug 29, 2018 11:21:55 GMT
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Post by Stewart on Aug 29, 2018 19:39:14 GMT
As local Boy hasn't started a thread for this i thought i had better do one. We better not lose now!! LocalBoy, can you please start the Halifax thread  |
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Post by localboy86 on Aug 29, 2018 21:20:32 GMT
LocalBoy, can you please start the Halifax thread Cheers Stewart - be up late morning. |
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Post by supershot on Aug 30, 2018 6:52:14 GMT
It is a shame because non segregated games the away fans get a decent experience but because of a few morons at certain clubs the police and this is at all grounds choose who cannot use them ..When this happens yes things are not good ..What I will say is if it was raining you would have been moved into the East Bank .. disabled people are allowed in the front of the ground and as far as the toilets are concerned there are plans for complete rebuild of the ground so hopefully that will be corrected
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Post by Del on Aug 30, 2018 7:15:03 GMT
LocalBoy, can you please start the Halifax thread Two words Stewart. The second word is OFF ! |
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