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Post by os on Jan 28, 2011 1:29:12 GMT
It is very rare that any post on this forum is edited or deleted by Admin, which is the way it should be. The question arises on the subject of player speculation and rumour:
Should Administrators step in to edit or delete posts which may contain information on player movements which the club and management would rather not be made public? There is nothing wrong with speculating on possible names or types of players, but is there a need to edit when its more substantial than that?
Or is there a feeling that this is a unofficial forum and nothing to do with the club so if you know a player is likely to sign or even be booted out you should be free to post it?
Its your forum so its your choice?
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Post by Andy K on Jan 28, 2011 1:59:37 GMT
Well this is an unofficial forum. The view on here are not of the club unless expressly stated. Anyone who officially knows isn't likely to post it on here, and anyone who says 'i hear from reliable sources' should understand that they have a responsibilty before they most. I'd say most posters on here do act that way. And also as we have seen a few times before, some of the 'rumours' can be wildy inaccurate.
Remember 'I have inside information that Francis Vines will be our next manager' - which of course didn't happen.
so in short no - the only 'removal by admin' I would advocate is when a poster is being offensive or its spam. And in that case, we have to trust the admin's judgement on that anyway.
Oh the power you have
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taz
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Post by taz on Jan 28, 2011 9:56:27 GMT
As someone who has Admin rights, I don't agree that posts regarding player speculation should be edited. This is an unofficial supporters forum. The only thing we should really be here for is to deal with abusive\offensive content.
I think in my time as an Admin I've only ever locked 2 childish threads & never had to delete anything or ban anyone, which shows you the sort of place this is.
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Jan 28, 2011 12:21:21 GMT
I agree with Taz.
IF and this is a big IF, someone becomes privvy to information that isn't in the public domain from the club, they need to decide for themselves and carefully if they should post it. However once posted it should be left unless it it likely to get this forum in trouble.
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Post by DaveF on Jan 28, 2011 12:26:38 GMT
I don't think speculation should be removed either, (so my vote was "no"), after all it is one of the things that makes following your club so fascinating. However, we are not a Premiership club and in our really quite small environment it is quite possible and not uncommon for a fan to pick up something about a player that makes it seem as if the move is certain. Although the urge to post that news before the official site might be hard to resist, all that I would ask is that people try to resist that temptation. As I have explained before, we will try to post news as soon as it is a definite, but the danger with someone pre-empting us is that it might actually be the cause of the deal not hapenning. That nearly happened earlier this season and has happened a few times in the past. And NO, I still don't know who the new signing might be
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Post by Nick the Greek/The Speshul One on Jan 28, 2011 12:41:57 GMT
I don't think speculation should be removed either, (so my vote was "no"), after all it is one of the things that makes following your club so fascinating. However, we are not a Premiership club and in our really quite small environment it is quite possible and not uncommon for a fan to pick up something about a player that makes it seem as if the move is certain. Although the urge to post that news before the official site might be hard to resist, all that I would ask is that people try to resist that temptation. As I have explained before, we will try to post news as soon as it is a definite, but the danger with someone pre-empting us is that it might actually be the cause of the deal not hapenning. That nearly happened earlier this season and has happened a few times in the past. And NO, I still don't know who the new signing might be You should read www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/football/U-s-closing-Leroy/article-3153347-detail/article.html they seem to think they know.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Jan 28, 2011 12:55:36 GMT
The problem with editing or deleting such posts is that, almost invariably, damage will already have been done. Unless an administrator is monitoring the site 24/7, and pounces as soon as something untoward appears, the offending post will have been seen before the editing or deleting happens. It would be a classic case of locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. And if it's noticed that a post has been altered or removed, that would simply draw attention to the original content and fuel further comment and speculation.
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frakey
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Post by frakey on Jan 28, 2011 12:59:47 GMT
I already voluntarily decide not to post stuff on here if I learn it from a respected source. Stands to reason that if I was to blab on here, I would not get to know anything - not that I'm generally in the know anyway.
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Post by DaveF on Jan 28, 2011 13:35:16 GMT
We can't do anything about outside sources saying whatever they want, and of course they don't care whether that affects a transfer going ahead or not.
As mentioned above, hopefully our fans will consider implications before they post "news" they believe to be true; as opposed to speculation.
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Post by silverfox on Jan 28, 2011 15:06:24 GMT
I already voluntarily decide not to post stuff on here if I learn it from a respected source. Stands to reason that if I was to blab on here, I would not get to know anything - not that I'm generally in the know anyway. That's where my vote went.
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Post by os on Jan 28, 2011 18:21:15 GMT
The opinion does seem to suggest that members would rather all player related posts to be left as a subject that Admin should not involve itself with. This forum does not belong to its admin members or the club so if that is what its member want then that is what it shall get.
My concern is that there are not many votes backing removal of a post even if the club requests it, or that for someone from another club posting information without regard for its impact?
As CoSec says we are a small club and often the information that people possess is a little more then just a guess or speculation. The other night is a good example, if you know that the manager is meeting a potential new signing, then see him chatting to a player you recognise, you will be in a very limited number of people. I do not believe that information should be posted on the forum for the world to see, and people should think carefully before posting especially if we are to say that these posts are exempt from removal.
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Post by Andy K on Jan 28, 2011 18:59:51 GMT
Isn't that the whole point of it being an UNOFFICIAL forum? Its administered by fans for fans. And has no direct affiliation with the club at all? And in that capacity its the only platform for gossip and rumours. And thing about those is thats all they are until something is confirmed.
Perhaps a private message to that person would work better. I remember after relegation, reading in the NLP about Dos wanting a new challenge away from Eastleigh, so I mentioned it on here (not knowing ANYTHING at all apart from seeing something potentially interesting about possible replacements who were 'available and looking' printed in the press) and I actually got a phone call from someone connected to the club asking me to remove it. It did also make me think more about what I post on here, knowing that anyone in the world could read it.
Deleting messages isn't right on here, without the person who wrote the message understanding why their post is being deleted. And if that is the case, asking that person to delete it, for which would be very good reasons would be the course of action.
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Post by Rambo on Jan 28, 2011 19:33:31 GMT
I already voluntarily decide not to post stuff on here if I learn it from a respected source. Stands to reason that if I was to blab on here, I would not get to know anything - not that I'm generally in the know anyway. My vote went there too
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Post by Chalmers on Jan 28, 2011 19:54:21 GMT
As i said in my post i and others only assumed who it was as we saw him in the bar afterwards. You can't miss the fella to be fair!
Let's hope all this speculation doesn't cause any potential signing not to happen as CoSec has mentioned has happened in previous situations
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Post by Duke on Jan 28, 2011 20:35:29 GMT
What have i missed?
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