dave1
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Play offs
May 25, 2014 22:35:15 GMT
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Post by dave1 on May 25, 2014 22:35:15 GMT
Feel for Derby and Orient fans. League tables don't lie - sadly, play offs often do.
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Post by dannyboy1807 on May 26, 2014 18:05:19 GMT
I was at the game yesterday what a dreadful way to go out for Orient, their keeper has to take responsibility sadly he cost them big time.
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Post by os on May 26, 2014 18:41:29 GMT
I am not a fan of the playoff system, it isn't in place for football itself but for the money men and media spectacle. Looking across the entire league structure and their respective playoffs, weaker teams have prevailed almost unanimously. The system doesn't support teams who actually play football and try to win, it favours a defensive hoof ball game.
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Post by exiledsufc on May 27, 2014 6:37:00 GMT
I agree with OS,i would rather go back to the top 3 or 4 going up without the play-offs,they are only a money making scheme,for the F.A.
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Post by Stewart on May 27, 2014 8:27:58 GMT
Sorry, I believe the play offs been a boost to football and attendances and should be kept.
Time for a poll?
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dave1
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Post by dave1 on May 27, 2014 13:40:30 GMT
Agree with Stewart that play offs have been a 'boost to football' in terms of driving up attendances, less dead rubbers at the end of the season, interest etc. - but I'm 'old school' and still think that promotion at the end of a league season should be decided on the basis of results of home and away fixtures between each team in the league. We've seen how a season's work can be rather undermined by (post-season) injuries/penalty shoot outs/bad luck in one game. Then again, I think that only 'champions' should be permitted to play in the Champions League - but know that financial considerations would mean that this would never happen.
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Post by dannyboy1807 on May 27, 2014 14:08:08 GMT
The play-offs must stay and should never change they are brilliant, it's always sad for the teams who lose of course, i've had a few with Palace and Sutton, but also had success with Palace that's why they're great the unpredictability about them that's just what the Football is all about!
Interesting that all the teams who finished 4th were promoted this season.
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Post by Andy K on May 27, 2014 15:57:53 GMT
Without wanting to be too antagonistic, I wonder how many of those not in favour of the play offs would have been if we'd been more successful in them?
Personally, and I've said this before, the play offs not only give teams more to play for in the last couple months of the season, they give a side a decent target to aim for at the start of the season. There's certainly been a couple of seasons where our target has been to reach the play offs. Doesn't quite work saying "We'll aim for 5th". Those of us who were there that moment 9 mins from time when we went 2-1 against Hornchurch in Dos's first season will know exactly what I mean!
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Post by os on May 27, 2014 16:39:11 GMT
Without wanting to be too antagonistic, I wonder how many of those not in favour of the play offs would have been if we'd been more successful in them? Personally, and I've said this before, the play offs not only give teams more to play for in the last couple months of the season, they give a side a decent target to aim for at the start of the season. There's certainly been a couple of seasons where our target has been to reach the play offs. Doesn't quite work saying "We'll aim for 5th". Those of us who were there that moment 9 mins from time when we went 2-1 against Hornchurch in Dos's first season will know exactly what I mean! Most neutrals will have found the majority of playoff matches quite dull to watch, they may produce drama but certainly not specticles. The object of a keague system is to have the best teams in the divisions, not those who merely get lucky on the day through a dodgy decision or by sticking 10 men behind the ball. We were rightly runners up over the whole season, we simply ran out of fit players due to those efforts, we beat Dover twice quite comfortably with our full fit squad. In the end it turned on a bit of gamsmanship from which the player took fall advantage. A story which isn't just a one off but happened up and down the country across every league, how does that make football better?
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Post by Andy K on May 27, 2014 16:49:22 GMT
Without wanting to be too antagonistic, I wonder how many of those not in favour of the play offs would have been if we'd been more successful in them? Personally, and I've said this before, the play offs not only give teams more to play for in the last couple months of the season, they give a side a decent target to aim for at the start of the season. There's certainly been a couple of seasons where our target has been to reach the play offs. Doesn't quite work saying "We'll aim for 5th". Those of us who were there that moment 9 mins from time when we went 2-1 against Hornchurch in Dos's first season will know exactly what I mean! Most neutrals will have found the majority of playoff matches quite dull to watch, they may produce drama but certainly not specticles. The object of a keague system is to have the best teams in the divisions, not those who merely get lucky on the day through a dodgy decision or by sticking 10 men behind the ball. We were rightly runners up over the whole season, we simply ran out of fit players due to those efforts, we beat Dover twice quite comfortably with our full fit squad. In the end it turned on a bit of gamsmanship from which the player took fall advantage. A story which isn't just a one off but happened up and down the country across every league, how does that make football better? It's not just about the play off games - it's more about the 2 months leading up to the play off games. What about last season when we just didn't make the play offs after an amazing run. The fact that right up to the last week we were in with a shout. If it was just 2 up, our season would have been over and we'd just played out the rest of the season. To a certain extent it's exciting (in a different way) to those near the bottom fighting for survival. Like I said, if the tables were turned and we finished 5th and went up, I still think a lot of us wouldn't be so critical.
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Post by garethl on May 27, 2014 19:09:57 GMT
Without wanting to be too antagonistic, I wonder how many of those not in favour of the play offs would have been if we'd been more successful in them? Personally, and I've said this before, the play offs not only give teams more to play for in the last couple months of the season, they give a side a decent target to aim for at the start of the season. There's certainly been a couple of seasons where our target has been to reach the play offs. Doesn't quite work saying "We'll aim for 5th". Those of us who were there that moment 9 mins from time when we went 2-1 against Hornchurch in Dos's first season will know exactly what I mean! Most neutrals will have found the majority of playoff matches quite dull to watch, they may produce drama but certainly not specticles. The object of a keague system is to have the best teams in the divisions, not those who merely get lucky on the day through a dodgy decision or by sticking 10 men behind the ball. We were rightly runners up over the whole season, we simply ran out of fit players due to those efforts, we beat Dover twice quite comfortably with our full fit squad. In the end it turned on a bit of gamsmanship from which the player took fall advantage. A story which isn't just a one off but happened up and down the country across every league, how does that make football better? Not what I heard about a number of the play off matches. How can you put our defeat over 2 legs to Dover down to one act of gamesmanship? They beat us because they did a number on us. And from the other thread how is playing away deemed an advantage? Yes they had a good away record but in spite of this were playing away to the best sides in the division and could just as easily been turned over. There is of course an argument against play offs from the perspective the 2nd/3rd teams have earnt it but some of your other comments just sound like sour grapes.Me personally I'm for them, sure you win some you lose some but it does a lot to keep a league alive.
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