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Post by Andy K on Feb 16, 2016 10:35:57 GMT
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Post by sallycat on Feb 16, 2016 11:36:55 GMT
Huh? This guy must have been exposed to literally millions of different environmental variables, yet the father is totally convinced it has to be this one even though there is literally no evidence.
I'm not saying it can't be that, because there hasn't been any research done on it so we can't know. That's my point. If a link had already been hypothesised for a clear-cut scientific reason, then I'd take the guy a bit more seriously.
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Post by Chalmers on Feb 16, 2016 13:11:10 GMT
His boy is sick with cancer for a second time, you can understand him wanting answers, to had domrthing or someone accountable.
It sounds like they're doing a thorough, expensive procedure of checking this rubber crumb out in the states, so it'll be interesting to see what comes back.
It does appear a little outlandish that it could be the cause though.
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Post by Suttontilidie on Feb 16, 2016 13:35:35 GMT
I was just about to post this story on here, hardly surprising that someone beat me to it! Would be very surprised if they can determine that it is the cause of the boy's cancer but I guess it's possible that something improper about the rubber crumb could be found.
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Post by steviem on Feb 16, 2016 13:43:40 GMT
The problem is that all rubber compounds are proprietary mixes with, sometimes, up to 20 different ingredients so the rubber crumb will be different depending where it came from. Most is from tyres but car and truck tyres use different rubbers and there will be different compounds within a single tyre (tread, sidewall, bead, lining, for example). So the results of any testing will depend on the feedstock. Historically there have been some very nasty substances used in rubber but these would have been banned in the US and Europe many years ago. However, there is little control over cheap rubber from places like China and some of the compounds we've tested have contained some very unexpected materials. That said the concentrations of most ingredients other than the rubber and fillers (carbon black and silica normally) are very small so the chances of anyone being exposed to sufficiently high levels to cause cancer is extremely unlikely. However, I confidently expect to see a well-reasoned and scientifically factual article on "Killer Football Pitches" in the Daily Mail within the week.
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Post by jr on Feb 16, 2016 13:53:12 GMT
I heard this on the radio yesterday. It's very difficult to get evidence for this. You would think that the employees of tyre and exhaust garages would have had cancer if this was indeed the case. Yet I'm not aware of any ongoing lawsuit against tyre manufacturers in this regard.
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Post by sallycat on Feb 16, 2016 16:00:23 GMT
Yeah, I was thinking along those lines. His boy is sick with cancer for a second time, you can understand him wanting answers, to had domrthing or someone accountable. Absolutely, you're quite right and I have every sympathy for him in this awful situation. Having a child with cancer must be a massive drain on anyone's physical and emotional energy and I just hope this chap isn't wasting his on wild goose chases when it could be caused by practically anything and is overwhelmingly likely to be a combination of factors rather than one thing. I really hope he is going to be OK.
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Post by garethl on Feb 16, 2016 16:44:13 GMT
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Post by os on Feb 16, 2016 17:58:03 GMT
Although all these things have to be taken seriously this story only appears to be in the news due to the Fathers previous position within the NHS, I doubt this would have even been news worthy if it was a ordinary bod.
Firstly if it is the rubber crumb, the compound can easily be changed, its not a integral part of the pitch merely an accessory. The other question would be what about tyre fitters who fit tyres day in day out, I have not heard of any issues there?
I would suggest that the biggest cancer risk to anyone playing football on a 3G pitch is that which comes from environmental factors, such as smog or car pollution.
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Post by sallycat on Feb 16, 2016 18:08:36 GMT
Yes, I agree. As any intelligent thinker knows, one study does not constitute proof. I also agree with Gareth that it needs looking at, but if we tried to remove anything that might be a risk, none of us would ever leave our beds How many "X causes cancer!!!" scare reports have we seen in papers like the Daily Mail vs how many of those have actually been demonstrated as fact?
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