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Post by Stewart on Mar 16, 2016 9:30:05 GMT
I get the priorities given to this comp. That said a little astonished at how poor we were tonight. 3 goals my school side would never have conceded and could have been a few more. Yes some of these lads clearly young but the least you usuallly get from kids is a willingness to compete and run about. A senior cup semi final, it looked like our lads were playing in a youth team pre season friendly they were too big time to bother with. Maybe I'm being harsh but that's what it looked like to me. Probably my last county cup game and a disappointing end. Whilst Shawy has filled in well in the past I think it's time for something else there too. Do we not have a young goalkeeper to look at and give experience to? Sadly Shaw did have a poor game.
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Post by Andy K on Mar 16, 2016 9:53:23 GMT
From the talk on the terraces last night, we are obliged to take part or pay a hefty fee not to take part - which is probably something that only Crystal Palace can afford and therefore don't take part.
I think the Surrey FA really need to reconsider how the competition is run to make it more appealing to all clubs involved, and more importantly to the people who turn up to see these games.
That aside, I only made the 2nd half last night, but I agree with garethl - I was surprised at how poor we were. Congratulations to Godalming, because on the evidence I saw in the 2nd half, they thoroughly deserved their win.
I know I may be in the minority here, but I wasn't especially bothered about going out last night. From my point of view we have (and have had all season) had one priority - to win the league or get promoted. If going out last night meant that our challenge isn't affected by injury or suspension and any of the first team squad got some game time, then I'm happy with the result.
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Post by timbo on Mar 16, 2016 9:58:09 GMT
In fairness Shaw did no worse than others. We are not expecting him to be fast out of the blocks and his turning circle is inevitably wide, but on the other hand he made some cracking saves and put in 100%. The back four was poor, particularly in the 1st half, probably because they have never played together before and had no understanding, nor any distinct leader. We really needed one of the senior defenders back there to lead it.
No one expected the senior outfielders to bust a gut, and with the possible exception of Bailey, they certainly didn’t! Unfortunately the young players seemed to take their lead from the seniors, although Elliott Anderson was lively in the 2nd half. Management was unable to inspire the team despite the efforts of the crowd, which gradually became disheartened
Not a good night. My final point is that if the club, as a whole, is taking a half hearted approach to the SSC competition, they should have charged only a nominal entrance fee instead of 8 quid.
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Post by Rambo on Mar 16, 2016 10:17:06 GMT
In fairness Shaw did no worse than others. We are not expecting him to be fast out of the blocks and his turning circle is inevitably wide, but on the other hand he made some cracking saves and put in 100%. The back four was poor, particularly in the 1st half, probably because they have never played together before and had no understanding, nor any distinct leader. We really needed one of the senior defenders back there to lead it. No one expected the senior outfielders to bust a gut, and with the possible exception of Bailey, they certainly didn’t! Unfortunately the young players seemed to take their lead from the seniors, although Elliott Anderson was lively in the 2nd half. Management was unable to inspire the team despite the efforts of the crowd, which gradually became disheartened Not a good night. My final point is that if the club, as a whole, is taking a half hearted approach to the SSC competition, they should have charged only a nominal entrance fee instead of 8 quid. Timbo, the Club reduced the admission prices by 33%, as it has done in the previous rounds, to reflect the fact that we weren't fielding a complete 1st team............and, obviously , what you don't seem to have taken into consideration is that the 4 "Officials" have to have their expenses paid out of the gate receipts before what's left is "shared" between the two teams. If the Club had reduced any further , there wouldn't have been anything left to pay for things like the floodlights being on, the cost of producing a programme etc
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Post by amberchoc on Mar 16, 2016 10:29:42 GMT
I must be a bit old-fashioned, but this modern concept that so many managers adopt (both Premier League and National League) of fielding under-strength teams in cup competitions (not just the minor cups either), it kind of saddens me.
Some of my fondest memories are of Surrey Senior Cup success, but I've come to the inescapable conclusion that it may not happen again for me.
That is the land of lost content I see it shining plain The happy highways where I went And cannot come again
(A.E. Housman)
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Post by davef on Mar 16, 2016 10:32:23 GMT
TD we have to enter, it's mandatory
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Post by localboy86 on Mar 16, 2016 10:39:48 GMT
Disappointed to go out what with us being so close to the final - admittedly I didn't go last night so can't comment on the performance but it sounded like a bad day at the office for our lot.
I did tweet the Surrey FA last night to say they need to reconsider the player reg process - 28 days is an utter joke and cost us Slabber and Burge who I'm sure would have played in the game. Also where was Fleetwood - he should have been chomping at the bit to play last night and add to his measly goal return.
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Post by amberchoc on Mar 16, 2016 10:45:47 GMT
Disappointed to go out what with us being so close to the final - admittedly I didn't go last night so can't comment on the performance but it sounded like a bad day at the office for our lot. I did tweet the Surrey FA last night to say they need to reconsider the player reg process - 28 days is an utter joke and cost us Slabber and Burge who I'm sure would have played in the game. Also where was Fleetwood - he should have been chomping at the bit to play last night and add to his measly goal return.Yes, I was thinking myself that Reyon Dillon needed someone like Fleetwood up front with him because the young lad was pretty isolated and ineffective throughout.
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Post by Stewart on Mar 16, 2016 11:00:58 GMT
Woking played their first team! Their fans are seething
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Post by nigcapgue on Mar 16, 2016 11:27:38 GMT
I totally get the "concentrate on the league" thing but what I don't understand, based on last night, is why we bothered getting as far as the semi-final. In 1998-99, the season we caught the runaway leaders to win promotion into the Conference proper, we also won the SSC...and I think we've only won it once since! There's "concentrating on the league" for you It's not a case of bothering though, is it? I expect any team we put out to try to win the game and that's exactly what happened in previous rounds, despite the makeshift quality of the sqauds we fielded. My issue is that, if we don't intend to make the best effort to win it, which we clearly don't, we shouldn't go in for it. This competition has been a lost cause for the likes of Sutton United but putting out the strongest 11 is not always bringing success - I understand that Woking played their 1st team last night and LOST!
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Post by timbo on Mar 16, 2016 11:32:46 GMT
In fairness Shaw did no worse than others. We are not expecting him to be fast out of the blocks and his turning circle is inevitably wide, but on the other hand he made some cracking saves and put in 100%. The back four was poor, particularly in the 1st half, probably because they have never played together before and had no understanding, nor any distinct leader. We really needed one of the senior defenders back there to lead it. No one expected the senior outfielders to bust a gut, and with the possible exception of Bailey, they certainly didn’t! Unfortunately the young players seemed to take their lead from the seniors, although Elliott Anderson was lively in the 2nd half. Management was unable to inspire the team despite the efforts of the crowd, which gradually became disheartened Not a good night. My final point is that if the club, as a whole, is taking a half hearted approach to the SSC competition, they should have charged only a nominal entrance fee instead of 8 quid. Timbo, the Club reduced the admission prices by 33%, as it has done in the previous rounds, to reflect the fact that we weren't fielding a complete 1st team............and, obviously , what you don't seem to have taken into consideration is that the 4 "Officials" have to have their expenses paid out of the gate receipts before what's left is "shared" between the two teams. If the Club had reduced any further , there wouldn't have been anything left to pay for things like the floodlights being on, the cost of producing a programme etc I appreciate the short term profit and loss angle but in this instance I just feel the club was trying to recoup too much, per spectator, for their product, on costs they were already obliged to expend even if no spectators showed up
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Post by johnnie1 on Mar 16, 2016 12:06:12 GMT
It was a crap game in a crap cup to be honest - glad I only had to pay £1 to get in. The only reason I really bothered with the SSC this year was to have a laugh and a bit of a sing song but I really doubt I'll go to any county cup games next season. The Surrey FA need to try something to revive the competition - I could be wrong but heard the attendance as 152 on the way out. 152 for a cup semi final says it all really
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Post by Andy K on Mar 16, 2016 12:25:47 GMT
Last time we got to a final we played our first team against Godalming and we lost. We'd just come off a play off defeat, and if I was a player playing at this level, I would struggle to motivate myself for that.
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Post by Suttontilidie on Mar 16, 2016 12:51:56 GMT
Last time we got to a final we played our first team against Godalming and we lost. We'd just come off a play off defeat, and if I was a player playing at this level, I would struggle to motivate myself for that. It would be easier for a player to be motivated if the club put value in the competition and that's not a case of pointing the finger because I agree with the club's standpoint it's a competition that offers next to nothing, similar to the Ryman League Cup which I seem to remember we did 'poorly' in all three of the seasons we were in it between 08/09 and 10/11.
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Post by Andy K on Mar 16, 2016 13:23:53 GMT
Last time we got to a final we played our first team against Godalming and we lost. We'd just come off a play off defeat, and if I was a player playing at this level, I would struggle to motivate myself for that. It would be easier for a player to be motivated if the club put value in the competition and that's not a case of pointing the finger because I agree with the club's standpoint it's a competition that offers next to nothing, similar to the Ryman League Cup which I seem to remember we did 'poorly' in all three of the seasons we were in it between 08/09 and 10/11. I don't think that it's especially the club - pretty much every club involved at our level or above see it as the most minor of the 4 competitions they play in and in the position we are in where we are serious challengers for the title (every club's bread and butter) if I were manager I'd do exactly the same. The club themselves also realise that the fans are unmotivated too and have dropped their prices accordingly. Whether we like it or not, the glory days of the county cup are long gone, and these were really based at a time where getting into the league was near impossible. And even when we won the league and the Surrey Senior in 99, we still had a group of part time players mostly based in the local area. Come 2016, things are very different, and I think it's a statement of fact that the Surrey FA have taken the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" approach, whilst not realising that it really is broken. Although Woking is an upgrade, at what point did Surrey realise that Imber Court isn't a suitable venue for their biggest cup final? Even ours to a certain extent isn't that suitable. If Hampshire FA can get Dean Court/St Marys and the Sussex FA can get Brighton's ground year after year, why can't the Surrey FA get Selhurst Park for the final (if indeed they are still affiliated to Surrey). It won't fix the problem, but certainly it would be heading in the right directed - how many more of us and players would take this more seriously if the prize was playing at a premiership ground? Times change and clubs and administrators need to adapt to those changes. We have and we're challenging for the Conference South title. Tooting and Carshalton didn't and they're entrenched in the footballing wilderness that is the Ryman 1 south, when only a few years back we were all playing each other in the same division.
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