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Post by brisfitboy on Jan 4, 2020 12:24:51 GMT
It's no wonder this forum has declined significantly in interaction when any opinions thst don't match the party line are instantly jumped on for the slightest dissent. You'll eventually get what you want, which is a big old echo chamber, then tonyd and others can retire their Sherrifs badges and talk freely about how wonderful every single player has been, and how the managements decisions are and always have been perfect, while slapping each other on the back for their insightful comments. Until then I shall continue to offer my unabridged opinions on players, tactics etc and I care not one iota how tonyd and other self appointed cronies feel about them. Your original post was quite acceptable but for the one word, this regretfully was in the wrong context as obviously for a previous season there was no height issue. The main factors for our early problems as I see it were that a) we had a new manager b) we had new players and c) we had a number of injuries which included our keeper and any injury to a goalkeeper however minor must impact upon his ability to especially jump. I must take issue with your forum comment as, if you shoot yourself in the foot as it would appear that you have done other posters do have the right to comment and one must accept their right to do so. I have posted on here many times and have had adverse comments made and conversely have had many likes from posters who have previously disagreed with me, that’s the nature of the game and one should accept it gracefully. |
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Post by markf on Jan 4, 2020 12:32:19 GMT
"Cronies" 😂😂
Cos it would appear we don't have our own opinions.
Once again I find myself repeating that anyone is entitled to their opinion but if you are lent to offer criticism then at least be able to take it too.
Should point out that Jamie won an England C cap before joining Sutton. Was that an experiment too?
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Post by baboonfish on Jan 4, 2020 14:54:26 GMT
I happily accept and welcome criticism, debate etc, but I'm clearly not the only one bored with tonyd and other parrots on here that seem to continually post stock rebuttals to any minor criticism towarda any player or management decision. Tonyd could be replaced by a bot created by any junior computer programmer and no one would notice. It's dull, dull and dull. Declining forum interaction is clear testimony for that.
I don't believe the likes of tonyd are even interested in meaningful debate. He jumps on any comment that doesn't match his own lofty opinions on the hope that the poster will scurry away in embarrassment. Well I'm not so easily deterred I'm afraid, but it seems like many have been and this once lively forum is on danger of becoming a one-note, self appreciation society.
For the record my opinion on JB is that he was excellent in our successful 17/18 season, albiet part of a colourful squad of like minded lads, Butler, Bailey, collins etc all clearly had a great bond.
That considered there were many that felt Ross Worner was the better keeper, and I certainly felt Worner should have been reinstated as no.1 when he took his chance well following JBs injury last season. IMO Worner had worked on his main weakness (kicking) and would have been my first choice.
That's all water under the bridge but the culture at the club has clearly changed somewhat, whilst the division had also moved on tactically and physically. Any weakness is ruthlessly exposed by well organised teams with, in most cases professional backroom set ups. Butlers height is most definitely a weakness and teams have not been blind to that, a fact shown by the amount of goals we've been conceding from set peices over the past few seasons. Also his main strength of a long accurate kick out no longer plays to our strengths with no tall target man (the current set up of Wright / bugiel is awesome but clearly thrives more from quick passing rather than long balls).
I'm more than happy to enter into an adult debate on the merits of anything I've said, but I'm afraid merely telling me I'm being disrespectful or pointing out how many appearances a player has had is not meaningful debate!
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Post by maw on Jan 4, 2020 15:37:31 GMT
So, the current pecking order is as follows?
1. Tzanev
2. Dudzinski
3. Butler
4. Brown
When is Butler expected to be match fit again?
Who would be expected to cover Tzanev in the event of a match injury? I have not noticed a keeper in recent substitute lists.
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Post by swedishchapter on Jan 4, 2020 17:23:20 GMT
So, the current pecking order is as follows? 1. Tzanev 2. Dudzinski 3. Butler 4. Brown When is Butler expected to be match fit again? Who would be expected to cover Tzanev in the event of a match injury? I have not noticed a keeper in recent substitute lists. Christian Mbeta was on the bench today as backup. |
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Post by markf on Jan 4, 2020 17:29:01 GMT
I happily accept and welcome criticism, debate etc, but I'm clearly not the only one bored with tonyd and other parrots on here that seem to continually post stock rebuttals to any minor criticism towarda any player or management decision. Tonyd could be replaced by a bot created by any junior computer programmer and no one would notice. It's dull, dull and dull. Declining forum interaction is clear testimony for that. I don't believe the likes of tonyd are even interested in meaningful debate. He jumps on any comment that doesn't match his own lofty opinions on the hope that the poster will scurry away in embarrassment. Well I'm not so easily deterred I'm afraid, but it seems like many have been and this once lively forum is on danger of becoming a one-note, self appreciation society. For the record my opinion on JB is that he was excellent in our successful 17/18 season, albiet part of a colourful squad of like minded lads, Butler, Bailey, collins etc all clearly had a great bond. That considered there were many that felt Ross Worner was the better keeper, and I certainly felt Worner should have been reinstated as no.1 when he took his chance well following JBs injury last season. IMO Worner had worked on his main weakness (kicking) and would have been my first choice. That's all water under the bridge but the culture at the club has clearly changed somewhat, whilst the division had also moved on tactically and physically. Any weakness is ruthlessly exposed by well organised teams with, in most cases professional backroom set ups. Butlers height is most definitely a weakness and teams have not been blind to that, a fact shown by the amount of goals we've been conceding from set peices over the past few seasons. Also his main strength of a long accurate kick out no longer plays to our strengths with no tall target man (the current set up of Wright / bugiel is awesome but clearly thrives more from quick passing rather than long balls). I'm more than happy to enter into an adult debate on the merits of anything I've said, but I'm afraid merely telling me I'm being disrespectful or pointing out how many appearances a player has had is not meaningful debate! Perhaps had you couched your point in this manner instead of coining the Butler experiment phrase, then the criticism you received wouldn't have been so forthcoming. As Tony D pointed out over 100 appearances is some experiment. Having been given the nod with regards your identity though, your initial post comes as no surprise. |
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Post by Andy K on Jan 4, 2020 19:05:48 GMT
It's no wonder this forum has declined significantly in interaction when any opinions thst don't match the party line are instantly jumped on for the slightest dissent. You'll eventually get what you want, which is a big old echo chamber, then tonyd and others can retire their Sherrifs badges and talk freely about how wonderful every single player has been, and how the managements decisions are and always have been perfect, while slapping each other on the back for their insightful comments. Until then I shall continue to offer my unabridged opinions on players, tactics etc and I care not one iota how tonyd and other self appointed cronies feel about them. With opinions come responsibility. As I've said time and time again this is a public place and slagging off one of our own won't exactly help them improve if they're reading this stuff. Giving credit when it's due could have a positive effect on them going forward. It's human nature. If you feel that others who may be taking that approach are just towing the party line and you feel that the forum is getting worse then the problem lies with you I'm afraid. And as others have said if you dont like your opinion being taken issue with then don't give it. That again is the nature of the beast. In the context of this conversation here's my thoughts. I always preferred Worner to Bulter and I think on current form this season Tzanev is playing better than Butler. It's not to say that I think Bulter is sh*t because he's shown he's not but if I was the manager I'd have made the same choice. If you feel that being in agreement with the manager makes me a sycophant then I assure you that's not the case. Now can we all accept that there will be nuances of this discussion that we won't agree with and just get on without getting personal? |
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Post by baboonfish on Jan 4, 2020 23:34:03 GMT
I happily accept and welcome criticism, debate etc, but I'm clearly not the only one bored with tonyd and other parrots on here that seem to continually post stock rebuttals to any minor criticism towarda any player or management decision. Tonyd could be replaced by a bot created by any junior computer programmer and no one would notice. It's dull, dull and dull. Declining forum interaction is clear testimony for that. I don't believe the likes of tonyd are even interested in meaningful debate. He jumps on any comment that doesn't match his own lofty opinions on the hope that the poster will scurry away in embarrassment. Well I'm not so easily deterred I'm afraid, but it seems like many have been and this once lively forum is on danger of becoming a one-note, self appreciation society. For the record my opinion on JB is that he was excellent in our successful 17/18 season, albiet part of a colourful squad of like minded lads, Butler, Bailey, collins etc all clearly had a great bond. That considered there were many that felt Ross Worner was the better keeper, and I certainly felt Worner should have been reinstated as no.1 when he took his chance well following JBs injury last season. IMO Worner had worked on his main weakness (kicking) and would have been my first choice. That's all water under the bridge but the culture at the club has clearly changed somewhat, whilst the division had also moved on tactically and physically. Any weakness is ruthlessly exposed by well organised teams with, in most cases professional backroom set ups. Butlers height is most definitely a weakness and teams have not been blind to that, a fact shown by the amount of goals we've been conceding from set peices over the past few seasons. Also his main strength of a long accurate kick out no longer plays to our strengths with no tall target man (the current set up of Wright / bugiel is awesome but clearly thrives more from quick passing rather than long balls). I'm more than happy to enter into an adult debate on the merits of anything I've said, but I'm afraid merely telling me I'm being disrespectful or pointing out how many appearances a player has had is not meaningful debate! Perhaps had you couched your point in this manner instead of coining the Butler experiment phrase, then the criticism you received wouldn't have been so forthcoming. As Tony D pointed out over 100 appearances is some experiment. Having been given the nod with regards your identity though, your initial post comes as no surprise. I very much doubt you know who I am mark. If you do then say hello at the solihull game and I'll buy you a pint 😉 I don't really think my comments were even particularly critical, but regarding the number of appearances, IMO a player is only as good as their last few. Likesay, I welcome critical debate and I'm looking forward to a meaningful contribution from tonyd, if he has his own opinion on the matter that is..... |
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Post by markf on Jan 5, 2020 0:18:02 GMT
Perhaps my info is incorrect. Whatever. You may as well be him.
Thanks for the offer of a pint but I don't drink and drive.
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Post by baboonfish on Jan 5, 2020 15:33:11 GMT
Perhaps my info is incorrect. Whatever. You may as well be him. Real witty. Go back to your usual modus operandi of moaning about referees. Youre much better at that than humour! |
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Post by markf on Jan 5, 2020 17:27:30 GMT
Prefer to give stick to ref's rather than our players which is your apparent preference.
As for taking lessons on humour from someone who refers to those who have the audacity to disagree with him as a pompous arse, I don't think so.
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