tonyd
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Post by tonyd on Oct 13, 2020 10:46:57 GMT
So tonight I'm off to the Epsom & Ewell v Bridon Ropes rematch in the Vase (and following the U's on twitter ). For those who don't know, in the original match on 20 Sept which E&E won 4-0, they played an ineligible player who should have been serving a suspension from a Sunday league match. Now, in a season where the FA has decreed that Vase ties must be settled in one game, you'd expect the Salts to have been expelled from the competition, but the FA have ordered the match to be replayed at its original venue. Which got me thinking. Didn't Sutton have a similar experience when we pipped Ebbsfleet to the Championship? I seem to remember worrying that we were going to get a points deduction. Can anyone remember the details? Or explain why the FA have turned away from their previous hard-line policy?
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Post by Amber Aleman on Oct 13, 2020 12:17:33 GMT
Didn't Sutton have a similar experience when we pipped Ebbsfleet to the Championship? I seem to remember worrying that we were going to get a points deduction. Can anyone remember the details? Or explain why the FA have turned away from their previous hard-line policy? Jamie Slabber, at the start of his brief second spell with us, came on as a late sub at St Albans before his re-registration was complete. I'm not familiar with the details, but I recall that one step in the process hadn't been taken in time. I think we got fined, but the omission wasn't considered serious enough to warrant a point(s) deduction.
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Post by markf on Oct 13, 2020 12:29:07 GMT
The E&E issue was with regards to a disciplinary case that occurred in Sunday football.
As for the FA being more lenient, I think that is probably a decent assessment and maybe the consideration that most if not all clubs at the lower levels are administered by volunteers.
Having said that, when I was at Surrey FA our mantra to clubs was always check when you sign a new player.
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Post by trev on Oct 13, 2020 13:06:20 GMT
I seem to recall that a couple of seasons ago our youth team were disqualified from the FA cup for fielding an ineligible player, thereby depriving them from a mouth-watering clash vs Man City in the 3rd round. Seemed incredibly harsh to me at the time, and it still does now, especially when factoring in the relatively young ages of those whose dreams were scuppered.
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tonyd
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Post by tonyd on Oct 13, 2020 14:01:26 GMT
Didn't Sutton have a similar experience when we pipped Ebbsfleet to the Championship? I seem to remember worrying that we were going to get a points deduction. Can anyone remember the details? Or explain why the FA have turned away from their previous hard-line policy? Jamie Slabber, at the start of his brief second spell with us, came on as a late sub at St Albans before his re-registration was complete. I'm not familiar with the details, but I recall that one step in the process hadn't been taken in time. I think we got fined, but the omission wasn't considered serious enough to warrant a point(s) deduction. Ah, yes. Glad someone’s memory still works!
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Post by davep on Oct 13, 2020 15:12:02 GMT
If my memory serves me correctly re: Jamie Slabber, either the league or the FA had indicated to us (incorrectly) that the registration was ok - and we included Jamie Slabber on that basis (he came on as a sub at St Albans with about 15 minutes left when I think that we were 2-0 up and eventually won 3-0). I think that it was because of this mitigating circumstance that the action taken against us was fairly lenient.
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Post by pinewalker on Oct 15, 2020 17:09:51 GMT
So tonight I'm off to the Epsom & Ewell v Bridon Ropes rematch in the Vase (and following the U's on twitter ). For those who don't know, in the original match on 20 Sept which E&E won 4-0, they played an ineligible player who should have been serving a suspension from a Sunday league match. Now, in a season where the FA has decreed that Vase ties must be settled in one game, you'd expect the Salts to have been expelled from the competition, but the FA have ordered the match to be replayed at its original venue. Which got me thinking. Didn't Sutton have a similar experience when we pipped Ebbsfleet to the Championship? I seem to remember worrying that we were going to get a points deduction. Can anyone remember the details? Or explain why the FA have turned away from their previous hard-line policy? There isn't an excuse for a club secretary of a club senior enough to play in the FA Vase not knowing the rules. There are 3 categories of football for adults at grass roots which the FA regards as different. Saturdays and midweek Sundays Friendlies
A player suspended for a red card foul in any of those categories e.g. in a Sunday League match is suspended from Sunday football only. The offence prefix against his name in WGS is S. The player may still play Friendlies, Saturdays and midweek. But if the facts above are accurate - the player must have been guilty of Misconduct for which the offence prefix is M. In that case the suspension is from 'All Football' for the period stated.
Any participant can access their county FA website, scroll down to Suspensions and enter the player's name and DOB. If he is suspended it will say for which categories and for how long (match based or weeks).
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Post by markf on Oct 15, 2020 17:41:48 GMT
As I said above, I doubt it was a case of "not knowing the Laws", but of failing to check.
In my experience at Surrey, so many of the suspended players, played by clubs was because they didn't check.
The Whole Game System has made that easier as clubs shouldn't have the need to contact their County FA unless they don't understand what they're reading of course.
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tonyd
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Post by tonyd on Oct 15, 2020 17:47:13 GMT
As I understand it, a check was made and the player appeared to be ok, hence the leniency.
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Post by markf on Oct 15, 2020 18:21:20 GMT
Suggests County FA error (never happen in my day) 🤔
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