amberchoc
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Post by amberchoc on Dec 22, 2021 20:18:00 GMT
Aren't the bulk of postponements because clubs have too many covid cases within the squad to put a side together? Surely if all the players were vaccinated those numbers would be lower, no? In a word, No, if vaccines stopped spread we would not have 106,000 cases today. Wow. Spoken like a true anti-vaxxer. |
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kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Dec 22, 2021 20:34:28 GMT
Maybe let's all just not go there?
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Post by os on Dec 22, 2021 21:06:19 GMT
Maybe let's all just not go there? I agree, its not about being anti vaxxer or not, the question was if all players were vaccinated there might be less matches postponed. As someone who likes meddling with numbers and data, I honestly can't see any evidence that would be the case. The other part is a different question  |
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Post by davethegrave on Dec 22, 2021 21:11:34 GMT
In a word, No, if vaccines stopped spread we would not have 106,000 cases today. Wow. Spoken like a true anti-vaxxer. Ha ha! |
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Post by davethegrave on Dec 22, 2021 21:38:23 GMT
Full page article in today's Mail on Sunday. Any chance you could take a photo and share it here please? Um - I would if I could. I can email it to you. |
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kpinwp
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Post by kpinwp on Dec 22, 2021 23:45:19 GMT
Maybe let's all just not go there? I agree, its not about being anti vaxxer or not, the question was if all players were vaccinated there might be less matches postponed. As someone who likes meddling with numbers and data, I honestly can't see any evidence that would be the case. The other part is a different question Considering that the finest medical minds in the country still consider (by their own admission) that they need to aquire far more data regarding the properties of the new variant, that seems an astonishingly tenuous argument to advance. But, having somewhat crossed my own line, I still think maybe let's not go there? |
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Post by Stewart on Dec 23, 2021 15:53:56 GMT
Getting back to the game, here is Neil Fredrik Jensen's report "Catching up with Sutton United" LINK |
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Post by sallycat on Dec 24, 2021 16:48:34 GMT
Aren't the bulk of postponements because clubs have too many covid cases within the squad to put a side together? Surely if all the players were vaccinated those numbers would be lower, no? In a word, No, if vaccines stopped spread we would not have 106,000 cases today. Right. You do realise without them we'd have ten times that, many of them fatal. Oh no of course you don't realise that do you. |
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Post by os on Dec 24, 2021 19:11:50 GMT
In a word, No, if vaccines stopped spread we would not have 106,000 cases today. Right. You do realise without them we'd have ten times that, many of them fatal. Oh no of course you don't realise that do you. I am actually quite surprised you said that, here is an article hosted on the BBC, it explains how vaccines work, and does it far better than me, but does show you why even 100% vaccination would be very unlikely to stop matches being postponed, if we use the present testing regime. Your comment regarding fatal infections is accepted and is not being questioned. Its long but well worth a read for anyone who is interested to learn about how viruses spread : www.bbc.com/future/article/20210203-why-vaccinated-people-may-still-be-able-to-spread-covid-19 |
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Post by Amber Aleman on Dec 24, 2021 21:16:12 GMT
We seem to have gone off-topic again.
The article that OS linked is from February 2021, so has been rather overtaken by events (not least the emergence of the Omicron variant, which is behind the rash of recent football postponements). What it does acknowledge though is that, with any infectious disease, it's possible to achieve 'herd immunity'. With Covid-19 we're still quite a long way from achieving that. But with the help of the vaccination programme we may get there eventually.
Here's wishing a healthy festive season to all. ⭐💉
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Post by paz on Dec 26, 2021 19:51:55 GMT
How would having the jab stop matches from being postponed? Aren't the bulk of postponements because clubs have too many covid cases within the squad to put a side together? Surely if all the players were vaccinated those numbers would be lower, no? The vsccine lowers the viral load so its just weaker but you still test possitive for it. Even after a couple weeks when people are better they can still test possitive. My Sisters other half has had two vaccines and was ill for about 5 days and tested possitive for about 10 days. 9 out if 10 people with cv feel little to no effects (unless this has changed), as their viral load is very low. |
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Post by paz on Dec 26, 2021 20:09:27 GMT
Sadly too many people rely on social media for guidance on COVID  IMO Social media is a possitive thing with regards to news and the mainstream should work harder in interatcing with it directly more often and not snub it and avoid debate, as this makes people more suspicious. It allows a variety of information so that news can be scrutinised more. Of course there is often allot of hog wash flying around and manay can lap it up without question but the same could be said for the usual mainstream channels. Obviously the vacines have been effective in terms of reducing the risk of serious effects, particularly among the older and vulnerable who contribute to the vast majority of serious cases. But it worries me how a year later there has been very little room for debate and questioning on a vaccine that without question has been fast tracked. Its also worrying that for the first time ever we are told that a vaccine is not for the individual but for the collective in terms of its value. While some do not seem to think its a worry, it could potentially be a thin end of a very big wedge in terms of body autonomy rights being broken down. Im not an anti vaccer and think they can be fantastic, and to a degree have been this year, but nothing is perfect or bigger than the individual IMO. |
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Post by Andy K on Dec 26, 2021 20:31:18 GMT
Sadly too many people rely on social media for guidance on COVID IMO Social media is a possitive thing with regards to news and the mainstream should work harder in interatcing with it directly more often and not snub it and avoid debate, as this makes people more suspicious. It allows a variety of information so that news can be scrutinised more. Of course there is often allot of hog wash flying around and manay can lap it up without question but the same could be said for the usual mainstream channels. Obviously the vacines have been effective in terms of reducing the risk of serious effects, particularly among the older and vulnerable who contribute to the vast majority of serious cases. But it worries me how a year later there has been very little room for debate and questioning on a vaccine that without question has been fast tracked. Its also worrying that for the first time ever we are told that a vaccine is not for the individual but for the collective in terms of its value. While some do not seem to think its a worry, it could potentially be a thin end of a very big wedge in terms of body autonomy rights being broken down. Im not an anti vaccer and think they can be fantastic, and to a degree have been this year, but nothing is perfect or bigger than the individual IMO. Without going on about this too much, but a lot of this is bollocks. Players have been affected by this, a number of our fans have lost people close to them from this and anyone who puts the individual above the community, especially in the community we have at the club is at best irresponsible and at worst dangerous. This is the situation we are in and everyone has a responsibility to do what they can to help get to the end of the situation no one wants to be in. "Debate" isn't helping that to happen. Let's just concentrate and hope that we're playing on Weds. |
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Post by paz on Dec 28, 2021 2:41:25 GMT
IMO Social media is a possitive thing with regards to news and the mainstream should work harder in interatcing with it directly more often and not snub it and avoid debate, as this makes people more suspicious. It allows a variety of information so that news can be scrutinised more. Of course there is often allot of hog wash flying around and manay can lap it up without question but the same could be said for the usual mainstream channels. Obviously the vacines have been effective in terms of reducing the risk of serious effects, particularly among the older and vulnerable who contribute to the vast majority of serious cases. But it worries me how a year later there has been very little room for debate and questioning on a vaccine that without question has been fast tracked. Its also worrying that for the first time ever we are told that a vaccine is not for the individual but for the collective in terms of its value. While some do not seem to think its a worry, it could potentially be a thin end of a very big wedge in terms of body autonomy rights being broken down. Im not an anti vaccer and think they can be fantastic, and to a degree have been this year, but nothing is perfect or bigger than the individual IMO. Without going on about this too much, but a lot of this is bollocks. Players have been affected by this, a number of our fans have lost people close to them from this and anyone who puts the individual above the community, especially in the community we have at the club is at best irresponsible and at worst dangerous. This is the situation we are in and everyone has a responsibility to do what they can to help get to the end of the situation no one wants to be in. "Debate" isn't helping that to happen. Let's just concentrate and hope that we're playing on Weds. With all due respect, it is of course just your opinion that it is bollocks. I think we are responsible for our own health and medical procedures, not some regime treating us like cattle. From the way you are speaking anyone would think the vaccine does not work on individuals, it absolutely does. And I also have a relative who died with covid... Anyway, that's the last I will say on the matter. |
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Post by tonyd on Dec 28, 2021 13:15:00 GMT
Its also worrying that for the first time ever we are told that a vaccine is not for the individual but for the collective in terms of its value. [/quote] Not true. We give children a vaccine for rubella (German measles), a disease that is generally only dangerous for pregnant women. Perhaps that worries you too. |
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