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Post by baboonfish on Nov 13, 2022 21:08:29 GMT
Just seen the goals on YouTube First goal clearly offside but our defenders hardly put up an argument when it was given. The crowd reacted more than they did. Second goal - would Lewis (being taller) kept it out? First goal was not offside. My instinct based on 20 years as a linesman was 'offside' but the ref's assessor sitting next to me also made your point - our defenders did not protest. After looking at the highlights I realise my instinct stemmed from the time of the deflection, by which time their #9 was behind John. To see the moment the shot was taken pause the highlights at 0.32, then tap the start & stop tab rapidly, you should get 3 different stills within the 0.33 seconds. In one of them you can see the ball has moved off the foot by about 4 feet and the #9 half onside and half level with John - so onside. If you look at my still above, cook is offside but it is tight. His legs are ahead of John's body. Not sure how you can say it's onside from that. Do you have a still which shows something different? If there's a pitch side camera shot it would be more conclusive.
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Post by hobart on Nov 13, 2022 21:10:18 GMT
Well spotted Pinewalker - looks onside when you freeze the forward's kick (at the 32 second mark). It is sometimes the case that what "looks" a blatant offside is in fact no such thing.
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Post by jr on Nov 13, 2022 22:42:35 GMT
First goal was not offside. My instinct based on 20 years as a linesman was 'offside' but the ref's assessor sitting next to me also made your point - our defenders did not protest. After looking at the highlights I realise my instinct stemmed from the time of the deflection, by which time their #9 was behind John. To see the moment the shot was taken pause the highlights at 0.32, then tap the start & stop tab rapidly, you should get 3 different stills within the 0.33 seconds. In one of them you can see the ball has moved off the foot by about 4 feet and the #9 half onside and half level with John - so onside. If you look at my still above, cook is offside but it is tight. His legs are ahead of John's body. Not sure how you can say it's onside from that. Do you have a still which shows something different? If there's a pitch side camera shot it would be more conclusive. Have reviewed the footage from the ITV highlights Cook looks to have timed is run perfectly and is a fraction behind Louis when the ball is played
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Post by Del on Nov 13, 2022 23:03:36 GMT
Clearly our team will improve when certain players recover from injury but our main problem this season is scoring goals.
I know certain people will disagree but losing Ajiboye & Tanto from our starting line up has had a huge impact on us. Now whether they have moved on an not done much since is immaterial.They were integral to our success over the last two seasons and the way we played.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Nov 13, 2022 23:09:59 GMT
Clearly our team will improve when certain players recover from injury but our main problem this season is scoring goals. I know certain people will disagree but losing Ajiboye & Tanto from our starting line up has had a huge impact on us. Now whether they have moved on an not done much since is immaterial.They were integral to our success over the last two seasons and the way we played. Spot on. I'd add that Bennett was also a significant loss during the summer; although he didn't contribute as much as Ajiboye and Tanto, he did score some important goals (notably the three in two games against Stevenage and the winner at Mansfield).
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Post by os on Nov 13, 2022 23:58:56 GMT
I do come back to the question, what does our DOF do? How much influence had he had on signings?
Given that this side is not as good as the one Matt put together before we had a DOF, I think its a fair question to ask.
No goals in reply to 7 against in 3 matches, 2 from a team 2 leagues below us.
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Post by Andy K on Nov 14, 2022 9:02:25 GMT
I do come back to the question, what does our DOF do? How much influence had he had on signings? Given that this side is not as good as the one Matt put together before we had a DOF, I think its a fair question to ask. No goals in reply to 7 against in 3 matches, 2 from a team 2 leagues below us. Have you asked Matt yet? You've been asking this question for months now. I'm sure if you asked him, he'd tell you. Of course you could read his biography on the website "The club's first Director of Football, Terry has responsibility for recruitment, setting up a comprehensive scouting network and building relationships with clubs higher up the Football League, as well as overseeing the club’s academy and youth structure and acting as an advisor to manager Matt Gray and assistant Jason Goodliffe." but as you've failed to do that so far and still ask the same question that's already answered for you in black and white, then perhaps you should ask Matt. Or maybe Terry himself.
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Post by davethegrave on Nov 14, 2022 16:18:26 GMT
I think that maybe we're becoming a bit predictable and of course we are missing midfielders who will have a shot from outside the box.
Again I felt that there was a lot of gamesmanship on the part of Bradford. Why don't referees pick them up on it. Just adding it to stoppage time isn't good enough. Card them and it will stop it.
Hilarious incident late on. We were 2-0 down and the referee was urging Rose to get on with a goal kick.
And to cap it all Mark Hughes apparently said they were the ones trying to play football.
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Post by kpinwp on Nov 14, 2022 17:00:40 GMT
I understand the instinct to observe 'what we need and where' on the pitch. An attacking mid-fielder, a settled back four. And a few people have made suggestions as to how to shuffle the exisiting pack. But the, very limited, existing pack is all that we currently have. And, with the exception of the retuning Omar, it's all we will have when we play Rochdale, Colchester, Crawley and Gillingham. All of which are matches that we really need to be taking some points from. So simply inproving, with what we have, is really the sole issue. For now, the rest is wishful thinking.
I honestly don't get the point of bemoaning the fact that there are players that we don't have any more. They're just not in the equation, are they?
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Post by os on Nov 16, 2022 0:11:04 GMT
I do come back to the question, what does our DOF do? How much influence had he had on signings? Given that this side is not as good as the one Matt put together before we had a DOF, I think its a fair question to ask. No goals in reply to 7 against in 3 matches, 2 from a team 2 leagues below us. Have you asked Matt yet? You've been asking this question for months now. I'm sure if you asked him, he'd tell you. Of course you could read his biography on the website "The club's first Director of Football, Terry has responsibility for recruitment, setting up a comprehensive scouting network and building relationships with clubs higher up the Football League, as well as overseeing the club’s academy and youth structure and acting as an advisor to manager Matt Gray and assistant Jason Goodliffe." but as you've failed to do that so far and still ask the same question that's already answered for you in black and white, then perhaps you should ask Matt. Or maybe Terry himself. So sort of a managers, manager really, reports to the board and provides continuity, promotes a playing ethos throughout the club including acadamy level. Remains in post if the manager leaves, a manager cannot sack a DoF.
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Post by Andy K on Nov 16, 2022 8:35:12 GMT
Have you asked Matt yet? You've been asking this question for months now. I'm sure if you asked him, he'd tell you. Of course you could read his biography on the website "The club's first Director of Football, Terry has responsibility for recruitment, setting up a comprehensive scouting network and building relationships with clubs higher up the Football League, as well as overseeing the club’s academy and youth structure and acting as an advisor to manager Matt Gray and assistant Jason Goodliffe." but as you've failed to do that so far and still ask the same question that's already answered for you in black and white, then perhaps you should ask Matt. Or maybe Terry himself. So sort of a managers, manager really, reports to the board and provides continuity, promotes a playing ethos throughout the club including acadamy level. Remains in post if the manager leaves, a manager cannot sack a DoF. What an odd, odd reply. Would you like the club to share his contract of employment with you too? I get the feeling you want him sacked or that you have any real understanding of practical employment law and workplace dynamics. Seriously, go find Matt and Terry and actually ask them. Then maybe perhaps you'll get some clarity.
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Post by markf on Nov 16, 2022 9:15:38 GMT
To do that, he would have to set foot in the ground first. Can't recall the last time I saw him at a match.
And if he hasn't been to GGL in a while, it begs the question how does he see all the matches to be in a position to make comment?
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Post by sufc18 on Nov 16, 2022 13:35:38 GMT
Isn’t Terry usually at other matches scouting? He was at the SSC match on Monday.
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Post by Andy K on Nov 16, 2022 13:38:51 GMT
Isn’t Terry usually at other matches scouting? He was at the SSC match on Monday. I think Mark was referring to OS rather than Terry
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Post by sufc1898 on Nov 16, 2022 15:21:38 GMT
Just seen that Gary Cahill has retired. He’s been without a club for a good few months. Sure he could have done a job for us if approached? Maybe he was?
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