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Post by johnp on Nov 8, 2022 8:27:08 GMT
England's first match in the World Cup is only two weeks away now.If you need somewhere to watch them we are opening the bar for all the England matches starting MONDAY 21st NOVEMBER v Iran kick off at Ipm. Bar opens at MIDDAY Why not pop along for an afternoon drink and watch the Three Lions
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Post by kpinwp on Nov 8, 2022 13:16:09 GMT
May I politely observe that a number of us will be boycotting this world cup due to Qatar's appalling record on human, workers and LGBTQ rights. As has been widely reported. If you feel yourself to be supportive of any of those things then I appeal to you, with all respect, not to watch this deeply compromised competition. There will be other World Cups. There is other football. Make a stand, it's no great sacrifice.
Not wishing to start a separate thread for this, on this forum, as it's not a SUFC matter.
I'll leave that there. Thanks.
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Post by davethegrave on Nov 8, 2022 20:16:00 GMT
May I politely observe that a number of us will be boycotting this world cup due to Qatar's appalling record on human, workers and LGBTQ rights. As has been widely reported. If you feel yourself to be supportive of any of those things then I appeal to you, with all respect, not to watch this deeply compromised competition. There will be other World Cups. There is other football. Make a stand, it's no great sacrifice. Not wishing to start a separate thread for this, on this forum, as it's not a SUFC matter. I'll leave that there. Thanks. Yes. I'm considering doing that too although I'll probably give in.
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Post by foxtrot on Nov 9, 2022 13:40:41 GMT
May I politely observe that a number of us will be boycotting this world cup due to Qatar's appalling record on human, workers and LGBTQ rights. As has been widely reported. If you feel yourself to be supportive of any of those things then I appeal to you, with all respect, not to watch this deeply compromised competition. There will be other World Cups. There is other football. Make a stand, it's no great sacrifice. Not wishing to start a separate thread for this, on this forum, as it's not a SUFC matter. I'll leave that there. Thanks. I couldn't agree more. I'm glad I'm not the only one boycotting this World Cup. FIFA should hang their heads in shame.
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Post by kpinwp on Nov 9, 2022 16:50:41 GMT
There seem to be a growing number of people who feel this way. I think too many of the circumstances sit badly. And I think there will be more who watch the matches, primarily out of simple England team loyalty, with very mixed feelings.
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Post by Del on Nov 9, 2022 17:06:20 GMT
I'm sure that you could bring up several lists of countries that don't fit the bill but surely FIFA is meant to be non political when they choose these venues. Things that are now not acceptable in the western world are still commonplace in Africa the Middle East and Far East so it must be incredibly difficult if you have to bear in mind Religous considerations and traditions that would rule out a large chunk of the world as suitable venues.
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Post by markf on Nov 9, 2022 18:05:47 GMT
Let's face it, both FIFA and the IOC have chosen what many would call unfavourable locations for their main event.
Argentina in 1978 with the backdrop of thousands going missing.
The Olympics have been in Beijing in recent times.
Problem is with Qatar is that it just doesn't fit as a football destination even before the other considerations. That's why it stinks.
Everybody is welcome to their own choice but as I grow into my 60s there maybe not many World Cups left for me so from that perspective I shall be watching it. Me not watching isn't going to stop it happening.
Fifa shouldn't have taken it there from both a political and sporting perspective but they did. I would say that I generally look forward to a WC with great enthusiasm but that isn't the case this time although that has probably more to do with the timing as much as anything else.
And all these football people such as Guardiola, Klopp and laughably, Blatter, moaning about it now are rather late in the day.
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Post by davethegrave on Nov 9, 2022 21:07:08 GMT
Yes it's the ridiculous time and now Blatter admits it was a mistake. He should've said that years ago.
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Post by VCLXI on Nov 10, 2022 0:01:15 GMT
I'll be watching it. Certainly not the players fault in handing the hosting of the competition to the most ridiculous place I can think of.
A bit like handing Baku the Europa League Final with Chelsea and Arsenal fans boycotting it. Who would ever do that? Oh, hang on, that happened too.
I won't be going, but I'll certainly miss my friends popping over for a barbecue during a World Cup.
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Post by oohaah on Nov 10, 2022 7:31:35 GMT
How far did Qatar's national women's football team get in the last three World Cups? Oh, wait.... The Qatar ruling body have never allowed them to enter. Another big reason FIFA should not have let this happen.
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Post by markf on Nov 10, 2022 9:09:19 GMT
Iran doesn't allow women inside football grounds even to watch but they have been competing in WC's for decades.
World sporting associations like to think they're above all the world's politics eg Moscow 1980 so Qatar just another in a line of eyebrow raising decisions re venues.
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Post by kpinwp on Nov 10, 2022 12:59:06 GMT
I wouldn't say that handing the WC to Qatar is illogical in a strict sense. They can bring a lot of money into the game, and that's the logic right there. I agree that the blame lies squarely with FIFA. But we're the ones left in what is a very morally compromising position. So, do you go along with it or do you walk away?
But, I'm just pleased to see this being engaged with and discussed, here. So, credit to everyone. I tell you, I have a whole bunch of Brighton dwelling, football loving, friends who all consider themselves to be massively supportive of LGBTQ rights, in the tradition of that town. They pitch up for the Pride march every year. Now, that's easy, especially as for many years it's basically been one big, largely hetrosexual, piss up. But they're all going to be tuning into the WC. Because it's too 'hard' for them to miss it. Try to flag up that apparent contradiction and they, literally, stare at the floor. Them? Not impressive. Frankly, hypocracy is the word that comes to mind.
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Post by Andy K on Nov 10, 2022 13:45:40 GMT
Not wanting to speak for others, but I know of a couple of Sutton supporters who in normal circumstances would be totally sympathetic but personal circumstances would make the decision to watch (or in one case go to all the group games) purely because they are Wales supporters, and it happens to be the first World Cup they've qualified for in their lifetime. I hope they're not going to be judged either way because what's most important to them is the passion for their country in what's, for them especially, a once in a lifetime event.
Not that I'd ever have that dilemma as Cyprus will never qualify for anything (although I never thought Sutton would ever be a leage side). Plus of course I'm always club over country.
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Post by davethegrave on Nov 10, 2022 18:08:01 GMT
Not that I'd ever have that dilemma as Cyprus will never qualify for anything (although I never thought Sutton would ever be a leage side). Plus of course I'm always club over country. I wouldn't call Sutton a leage side.
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Post by VCLXI on Nov 10, 2022 18:31:35 GMT
I would. Sutton are in the EFL.
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