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Post by garethl on Jun 2, 2023 13:58:24 GMT
While many references about wanting this or that player before they sign for a club might be taken with a pinch of salt I notice Notts say they wanted to sign Randall earlier this year. Question raised was he tapped up while under contract. Suggests both Notts and player waited on promotion ? did this influence the number of games Randall missed with strain injuries in latter half of last season? Players and clubs are free to negotiate in the last 6 months of a contract as far as I understand. Happy to be corrected.
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Post by davef on Jun 2, 2023 14:14:05 GMT
I haven’t had to complete transfer paperwork for over ten years so I might be out of date now, but club A can only speak to a player from club B once the contract has ended or with permission from club B otherwise. The bit about talking to clubs up to 6 months in advance and signing a pre-contract only applies if going overseas, not to another English club.
Again, happy to be corrected.
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Post by garethl on Jun 2, 2023 15:16:21 GMT
I haven’t had to complete transfer paperwork for over ten years so I might be out of date now, but club A can only speak to a player from club B once the contract has ended or with permission from club B otherwise. The bit about talking to clubs up to 6 months in advance and signing a pre-contract only applies if going overseas, not to another English club. Again, happy to be corrected. Thanks, I was completely wrong then! Sounds like they put in an offer in Jan from their blurb on their official website.
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Post by kpinwp on Jun 2, 2023 16:15:16 GMT
I think this stage can be a little unerving for people. There's often a point when some of last season's players have gone and no new ones have yet been acquired where one looks at the departures and thinks of all of the good things they might do for their new club, that they used to do for us.
But, with no disrespect to the departing players, let us remember that they were part of a less than completely functional attack. For all of the other qualites our attack displayed, last season we went well short of goals. It's that simple. There is no particular reason to assume that those players will suddenly find their shooting boots when in a new team context.
Indeed, if we were not going to reshape our attack then people would be finding that unerving, too.
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Post by garethl on Jun 2, 2023 16:29:29 GMT
I think this stage can be a little unerving for people. There's often a point when some of last season's players have gone and no new ones have yet been acquired where one looks at the departures and thinks of all of the good things they might do for their new club, that they used to do for us. But, with no disrespect to the departing players, let us remember that they were part of a less than completely functional attack. For all of the other qualites our attack displayed, last season we went well short of goals. It's that simple. There is no particular reason to assume that those players will suddenly find their shooting boots when in a new team context. Indeed, if we were not going to reshape our attack then people would be finding that unerving, too. I’d agree with this. My biggest concern is how we adapt without Bugiel. He was fundamental to our system and how we played. It’ll be interesting if we find someone for that specific role or change how we play significantly. Time will tell. One thing is for sure Matt would have known this stuff could have been happening some time ago and will have plans in place, and back up plans in the event plan A doesn’t materialise.
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Post by kpinwp on Jun 2, 2023 16:39:44 GMT
I think this stage can be a little unerving for people. There's often a point when some of last season's players have gone and no new ones have yet been acquired where one looks at the departures and thinks of all of the good things they might do for their new club, that they used to do for us. But, with no disrespect to the departing players, let us remember that they were part of a less than completely functional attack. For all of the other qualites our attack displayed, last season we went well short of goals. It's that simple. There is no particular reason to assume that those players will suddenly find their shooting boots when in a new team context. Indeed, if we were not going to reshape our attack then people would be finding that unerving, too. I’d agree with this. My biggest concern is how we adapt without Bugiel. He was fundamental to our system and how we played. It’ll be interesting if we find someone for that specific role or change how we play significantly. Time will tell. One thing is for sure Matt would have known this stuff could have been happening some time ago and will have plans in place, and back up plans in the event plan A doesn’t materialise. Good point. I would say that, while we eventually learned a little better how to play without him, Bugiel was too much the upfront fulcrum. When abscent through injury or suspension (and his disciplinary record was not the best) we struggled more than any team should due to the lack of one individual. There's a limit to this all-eggs-in-one-basket stuff.
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Post by Andy K on Jun 2, 2023 16:42:59 GMT
I’d agree with this. My biggest concern is how we adapt without Bugiel. He was fundamental to our system and how we played. It’ll be interesting if we find someone for that specific role or change how we play significantly. Time will tell. One thing is for sure Matt would have known this stuff could have been happening some time ago and will have plans in place, and back up plans in the event plan A doesn’t materialise. Good point. I would say that, while we eventually learned a little better how to play without him, Bugiel was too much the upfront fulcrum. When abscent through injury or suspension (and his disciplinary record was not the best) we struggled more than any team should due to the lack of one individual. There's a limit to this all-eggs-in-one-basket stuff. Whilst being the fulcrum, not only was his disciplinary record not the best, it was the worst in the whole of League 2.
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Post by is4 on Jun 2, 2023 17:00:27 GMT
Having read previous posts about the forwards that we had and now gone on to other teams, and now we require replacements. As been stated on earlier posts, with the lack of goals last season.Does the forum think, with the introduction of new players will there be a continuation of the way we have played ( having a target man,Omar.)or use a different type of attacking system.
I know some will say "let's wait and see" But I would like to read posters views.
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Post by terrier on Jun 2, 2023 17:18:22 GMT
Having read previous posts about the forwards that we had and now gone on to other teams, and now we require replacements. As been stated on earlier posts, with the lack of goals last season.Does the forum think, with the introduction of new players will there be a continuation of the way we have played ( having a target man,Omar.)or use a different type of attacking system. I know some will say "let's wait and see" But I would like to read posters views. Let’s wait and see. Really! Jeez.
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Post by toothman on Jun 2, 2023 17:20:09 GMT
The club website on 10th May said when the players leaving list was published that Matt would give an update on the squad in a couple of weeks and there would also be an interview on Sufctv. It's over 3 weeks and nothing has been published as yet and no interview.
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Post by kpinwp on Jun 2, 2023 17:23:45 GMT
My guess is that, fundamentally, there will be a continuation of the type of attcking system that we've been using. Two reasons; 1) Matt is a systems manager, and this is the system he knows best. 2) By and large it works. Any system that keeps us in L2 mid table comfort, considering our limited budget, has to be considered a success in broad terms.
But what I do think we will see is scope for a genuine Plan B. As opposed to bringing on fresh players to play more Plan A (after 70 mins). It's become very obvious that we do need that. I see Matt as a percentage-functional Plan A pragmatist, but he will have perceived the drag that a lack of alternative has caused us.
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Post by sufc1898 on Jun 2, 2023 17:24:28 GMT
is4 - let’s wait and see eh?!
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Post by garethl on Jun 2, 2023 17:28:31 GMT
Having read previous posts about the forwards that we had and now gone on to other teams, and now we require replacements. As been stated on earlier posts, with the lack of goals last season.Does the forum think, with the introduction of new players will there be a continuation of the way we have played ( having a target man,Omar.)or use a different type of attacking system. I know some will say "let's wait and see" But I would like to read posters views. Only management can possibly know this. We can only guess. I personally don’t see Matt straying too far from the system and structure he likes to use. Then it’s a question of how good the set of players are to carry out the instructions. Matt is also at the start of his managerial career and who knows whether he will evolve in terms of what he does with the team. At the moment maybe he put together what he did with limited resources. Would he play differently with a bigger budget available? Who knows other than him!
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Post by kpinwp on Jun 2, 2023 17:32:31 GMT
The club website on 10th May said when the players leaving list was published that Matt would give an update on the squad in a couple of weeks and there would also be an interview on Sufctv. It's over 3 weeks and nothing has been published as yet and no interview. Would it have been OK if they'd said 'a few' rather than 'a couple'? 3 weeks and 2 days. Lord. Personnaly I think Matt sometimes sleeps at night. Cheeky of him, innit?
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Post by davethegrave on Jun 2, 2023 18:33:12 GMT
I'm really surprised that Omar and Will didn't go up a league. I suppose both clubs have more tradition than us and able to pay higher wages.
I'm guessing Matt may already have targets arranged - remember Joe Kizzi was well rumoured before we announced it.
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