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Post by paz on Sept 3, 2023 11:32:06 GMT
Managers are people and have their own lives outside the game, We do not know what their mind set is like. But Matt looks as gutted as we do which leads me to believe he is still on the button. Could he be tired? Yes, its been a massive job for the past 4 or so years and must be draining. One thing is for sure, we wont find a manager prepared to work as hard as he does. And he has achieved so much here and is always at times going to be a victim of his own success.
If I was to be critical I think this talk of promotion is delusion. We need set up to survive. Against Wimbeledon around the 70th min or so we should have settled for a point. Same with New port, at 1-1 we should have cut our loses. but we keep pushing forward like we are chasing the play offs. We are not going to get anywhere near the play offs, and thats ok. Our job is to stay in the league this year. If we get a point at Swindon I will be delighted.
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Post by Del on Sept 3, 2023 11:45:51 GMT
Swindon is a big wide pitch which suits our wingers. We do however need maximum agility in midfield and if both Craig's are not available i believe N'Guessan should partner. Harry can do a job but he has now reached the Kenny Davis time in his career.
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Post by banjo on Sept 3, 2023 11:46:22 GMT
On those stats, most managers would have been fired. Not saying Matt should lose his job, but how long do you give him to get it right? Exactly the same as the time we gave him when we started like this, back in the 19/20 season. The number of people on here suggesting he should be sacked then was shocking, and look what happened when he wasn't. Becoming a football league team for the first time in our history and a Wembley final where we were 90 seconds away from winning. If we finish 22nd this season (which I don't believe for a second we will finish so low), then that's an achievement. Staying in league football is a huge achievement for this tiny club. Agree with Andy, we need to give Matt time to sort this form out, because we have been in every game so far. For me It’s more about systems and trying to find the right way to play with this squad. It is so tight at the bottom of table that one win moves us up. So as Andy says let’s get behind Matt too sort this out.⚽️⚽️⚽️
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Post by ambertaff on Sept 3, 2023 12:51:33 GMT
Exactly the same as the time we gave him when we started like this, back in the 19/20 season. The number of people on here suggesting he should be sacked then was shocking, and look what happened when he wasn't. Becoming a football league team for the first time in our history and a Wembley final where we were 90 seconds away from winning. If we finish 22nd this season (which I don't believe for a second we will finish so low), then that's an achievement. Staying in league football is a huge achievement for this tiny club. Agree with Andy, we need to give Matt time to sort this form out, because we have been in every game so far. For me It’s more about systems and trying to find the right way to play with this squad. It is so tight at the bottom of table that one win moves us up. So as Andy says let’s get behind Matt too sort this out.⚽️⚽️⚽️
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Post by ambertaff on Sept 3, 2023 13:06:50 GMT
Matt did a great job in 2019/20 in structurally re-engineering the side that led to promotion and success. But in 2019/20 we were starting from a relatively secure position. The issue this season is whether we can wait until the fruits of the latest re-engineering arrive. Contrast Matt with Dos, whose impact was felt straight away (play offs first yr after relegation to the Ishmian - if I remember correctly). We may well be approaching a stage where we need an inspirational turnaround manager rather than a deep thinking, possibly slow moving, strategist. As a matter of interest,wonder what Dos is up to nowadays now that he's moved on from the Hawks?
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Post by Andy K on Sept 3, 2023 16:24:58 GMT
Matt did a great job in 2019/20 in structurally re-engineering the side that led to promotion and success. But in 2019/20 we were starting from a relatively secure position. The issue this season is whether we can wait until the fruits of the latest re-engineering arrive. Contrast Matt with Dos, whose impact was felt straight away (play offs first yr after relegation to the Ishmian - if I remember correctly). We may well be approaching a stage where we need an inspirational turnaround manager rather than a deep thinking, possibly slow moving, strategist. As a matter of interest,wonder what Dos is up to nowadays now that he's moved on from the Hawks? I'm not sure one can compared making the play offs in the Isthmian (which really was a level we shouldn't have been at and was the lowest level of football we had played at since the Athenian League days) with EFL2. And as it turned out Dos didn't work any magic at Havant after leaving us, at one point being in open war with the fans and then getting a succession of touchline bans including the last one which meant he couldn't managed for the last 3rd of the season. It's not about having an inspirational manager, it's about having the right manager at the right club with the right players. What I've not heard from anyone so far is any mention of individual players "underperforming" on a regular basis. I expect this is because a) we're only in game 6 of a 46 game season and b) none of them actually have. I don't think there is any doubt that on paper this is the strongest squad we've had as an EFL club. But something isn't clicking. And invariably it may well be something small, such as Eastmond being injured. In 19/20 it literally clicked at Torquay and the only changes were the replacement of Jamie Collins and Jamie Butler with Nik Tzanev and Louis John. At that point, we didn't look back. In answer to your last question, I hear that Doswell is now involved with Winchester City, managed by Craig Davies who was one of Dos's first signings at GGL back in 2008. Ian Baird has also just left Havant leaving Jamie Collins without an assistant. They're currently struggling at the foot of the National South.
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Post by ggl on Sept 3, 2023 16:56:39 GMT
I think that any talk of replacing Matt is just ludicrous , especially after just six league games . If we are rock bottom after Christmas with a massive points difference between us and the safety of 22nd place then that is different . That said I still think a review of our tactics should be carried out and I’ve no doubt that Matt spends an awful lot of time away from the club thinking about how to improve things by doing just that . Now that the dust has settled on yesterdays disappointment I was greatly reassured by an earlier comment that we just need 47 more points from 40 league games to hopefully be safe . Just thinking about that means that I can now enjoy my week and not be too glum about our league position 😁.
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Post by halftimet on Sept 3, 2023 18:16:05 GMT
I wouldn’t want to replace Matt and have never said so. He's done wonders for this club, but this poor run of form has been going on far too long to not consider changes.
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Post by ambertaff on Sept 3, 2023 18:48:35 GMT
I would dearly love to give Matt until Chistmas. However, if our performance continues in the same vein as the last sixteen league games, we would then have to start earning points at somewhere around the rate of 1.7 to 2 points per remaining game to stay safe. That a big turnaround and a big ask. That why I think we have a shorter time horizon to sort things out - would suggest by the end of October.
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Post by sufc1898 on Sept 3, 2023 18:48:58 GMT
Such as?? All you’ve done is quote negative statistics
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Post by Del on Sept 3, 2023 18:53:40 GMT
I would dearly love to give Matt until Chistmas. However, if our performance continues in the same vein as the last sixteen league games, we would then have to start earning points at somewhere around the rate of 1.7 to 2 points per remaining game to stay safe. That a big turnaround and a big ask. That why I think we have a shorter time horizon to sort things out - would suggest by the end of October. Matt has as much time as he needs. He got us up against all the odds and will stay our manager,certainly in the football league, until he decides to move on. If you believe that sacking the manager would keep us up then you have been looking at too much Premiership bollocks! That is not the Sutton way.
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Post by pinewalker on Sept 3, 2023 21:17:00 GMT
We are miles away from sacking the manager. As a veteran supporter of a Midlands EPL club who have sacked dozens of managers in the past 60 years let me tell the head-hunters what hasn't happened. Because all that has happened is grumblings on here, and to be fair in the stand also, about the uninspiring home performances we have all paid to watch. There hasn't been: Half the home crowd leaving early and the other half staying to boo the team off; heated words between the manager and a player he subs off; a substitution greeted by cries of "you don't know what you are doing!"; the entire away support singing the manager's name and 'get out of our club'; A director leaving his seat before the end and retiring to the boardroom; Vegetables thrown.
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Post by boomboom on Sept 3, 2023 22:12:56 GMT
Matt did a great job in 2019/20 in structurally re-engineering the side that led to promotion and success. But in 2019/20 we were starting from a relatively secure position. The issue this season is whether we can wait until the fruits of the latest re-engineering arrive. Contrast Matt with Dos, whose impact was felt straight away (play offs first yr after relegation to the Ishmian - if I remember correctly). We may well be approaching a stage where we need an inspirational turnaround manager rather than a deep thinking, possibly slow moving, strategist. As a matter of interest,wonder what Dos is up to nowadays now that he's moved on from the Hawks? I don't think there is any doubt that on paper this is the strongest squad we've had as an EFL club. Inevitably comparisons are subjective (and it's probably too early to tell) but there were some good players in the 2021/22 squad who are no longer here. I'm thinking particularly of Ajiboye, Bennett, Bouzanis, Bugiel, Olaofe, Randall and Ali Smith, albeit Bouzanis is temporarily back as an "emergency" loan.
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Post by Andy K on Sept 4, 2023 8:09:57 GMT
Hence why I said "on paper"
Ajiboye was a non league player when we signed him, as was Ali Smith who had only made 6 appearances in L2, as did Will Randall with around 10 L2 appearances. Tanto had made 3 league appearances before signing for us. Bugeil and Bouzanis had a bit more league experience, and Bennett had the most with 50 odd.
Harry Smith has 150 odd league football games and along with a 200 odd leage game Craig Clay, won the L2 league title last season with Leyton Orient. Omari Patrick scored a goal in the play off final for Carlise to get them promoted with 200 odd league games. Josh Coley got promoted with Exeter. Ryan Jackson has 200 odd appearances in the League. Sam Hart has had around 100 league appearances before joining us. Aiden O'Brien has been capped at international level for the Republic of Ireland, and has around 200 league appearances.
If, on paper, our current squad isn't stronger than the squad we had in 2021/22 then I don't know what is.
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Post by john on Sept 4, 2023 19:47:05 GMT
What matt and he's team and all the players need more then any thing, is for all the fans to keep the faith and get behind the team, it's far to early to start worrying about our position in the league, we will be Fine, in Matt we should all trest..Up the U's
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