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Post by Big Al on Jan 12, 2024 7:04:22 GMT
All this illustrates for me Mark is that the Calvert-Lewin situation was badly dealt with, not Harry’s one. Sure, both reds looked harsh but that was the on field decision of the official and the FA/ Premiership should be supporting that decision on the grounds that all players and officials make mistakes and/ or view situations differently. There can be no mitigation for Smith’s reaction to the decision because it is exactly that behaviour that completely undermines the referee, leads to more aggressive behaviour and sets a dreadful example for kids etc etc.
This is why VAR is generally useless in football and generally successful in cricket and Rugby. There are more subjective decisions in football than the other sports and where the TMO in Rugby and the Thord Umpire in cricket tend to remove controversy, VAR and retrospective review of cards in football simply add fuel to debate. Sooner we get rid of all that, accept that officials just like players make mistakes and live with the outcome the better
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Post by markf on Jan 12, 2024 7:14:41 GMT
If Harry's reaction is likely to lead to kids being more aggressive towards officials etc, how come nobody picked up on it at the time?
This wasn't mentioned once post match and has only caught attention since the charge became public and the hearing result announced.
Bandwagon jumping that is.
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Post by opus2024 on Jan 12, 2024 8:07:27 GMT
Maybe no one picked up on it at time because 1 we were sat a long way from the incident. 2 could not hear what was said. 3 hand gestures and arm waving towards refs are common place. Is it not 9 games Harry Smith misses, 3 for the sending off at barrow as it was a straight red, 4 for the straight red at Gillingham plus now 2 for using unacceptable language towards the ref?.
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Post by markf on Jan 12, 2024 9:06:01 GMT
Thank you for backing up my point even if you didn't actually mean to.
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Post by swedishchapter on Jan 12, 2024 10:46:55 GMT
markf: What you think is irrelevant...🙂 If that's the case, let's shut this forum down now because so is what everybody else thinks and posts on here. As for authority, do you not think that in the current climate and considering the dominant story of the hour, that questioning it, even calling it out isn't a good thing? It certainly worked in the K-L case. It was a joke, did you not see the smiley? Well, I suppose you do not remember.. You replied to one of my posts a while back with "It is irrelevant"... That is why I tried to joke about it.. You need to loosen up a bit! :-)
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Post by kpinwp on Jan 12, 2024 11:36:07 GMT
Football is not national govenment. The last time I looked football was not a democracy.
There is an appeal system for red cards. We appealed. We lost (where another succeeded). End of.
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Post by garethl on Jan 12, 2024 11:38:36 GMT
9 games is well over the top for his sins this season (you can probably find worse in every game), but not much we can do about it. Hopefully players respond to the opportunity in his absence. Must say I’ve been impressed by Tope’s general play, has kept it well into feet and running the channel. Given his standards recently surprised we’ve not seen more of him, seems to poach a few too.
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Post by brisfitboy on Jan 12, 2024 11:42:25 GMT
All this illustrates for me Mark is that the Calvert-Lewin situation was badly dealt with, not Harry’s one. Sure, both reds looked harsh but that was the on field decision of the official and the FA/ Premiership should be supporting that decision on the grounds that all players and officials make mistakes and/ or view bsituations differently. There can be no mitigation for Smith’s reaction to the decision because it is exactly that behaviour that completely undermines the referee, leads to more aggressive behaviour and sets a dreadful example for kids etc etc. This is why VAR is generally useless in football and generally successful in cricket and Rugby. There are more subjective decisions in football than the other sports and where the TMO in Rugby and the Thord Umpire in cricket tend to remove controversy, VAR and retrospective review of cards in football simply add fuel to debate. Sooner we get rid of all that, accept that officials just like players make mistakes and live with the outcome the better Mainly agree with your post but it was the fourth official’s intervention that got Harry sent off not the refs.
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Post by Andy K on Jan 12, 2024 11:50:30 GMT
Looks like the men in charge of tomorrows game would have had no idea they would be facing each other on the touchline. Aside from the debut game of our new manager, Barrow manager Pete Wild has been given a 2 match touchline ban for inappropriate/abuse language towards a match official BEFORE their match against Accrington Stanley.
Yes, before the match.
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Post by paz on Jan 12, 2024 12:21:57 GMT
All this illustrates for me Mark is that the Calvert-Lewin situation was badly dealt with, not Harry’s one. Sure, both reds looked harsh but that was the on field decision of the official and the FA/ Premiership should be supporting that decision on the grounds that all players and officials make mistakes and/ or view bsituations differently. There can be no mitigation for Smith’s reaction to the decision because it is exactly that behaviour that completely undermines the referee, leads to more aggressive behaviour and sets a dreadful example for kids etc etc. This is why VAR is generally useless in football and generally successful in cricket and Rugby. There are more subjective decisions in football than the other sports and where the TMO in Rugby and the Thord Umpire in cricket tend to remove controversy, VAR and retrospective review of cards in football simply add fuel to debate. Sooner we get rid of all that, accept that officials just like players make mistakes and live with the outcome the better Mainly agree with your post but it was the fourth official’s intervention that got Harry sent off not the refs. And she also did not report on the behavior of the Barrow player who instigated the confrontation, later shown on mobile footage, which for some reason they ignored during the appeal process.
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Post by paz on Jan 12, 2024 12:28:00 GMT
Looks like the men in charge of tomorrows game would have had no idea they would be facing each other on the touchline. Aside from the debut game of our new manager, Barrow manager Pete Wild has been given a 2 match touchline ban for inappropriate/abuse language towards a match official BEFORE their match against Accrington Stanley. Yes, before the match. Does this mean the manager has to sit in the stand and is not permitted in the dressing room?
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Post by kpinwp on Jan 12, 2024 12:36:59 GMT
Looks like the men in charge of tomorrows game would have had no idea they would be facing each other on the touchline. Aside from the debut game of our new manager, Barrow manager Pete Wild has been given a 2 match touchline ban for inappropriate/abuse language towards a match official BEFORE their match against Accrington Stanley. Yes, before the match. Superb. See, he just KNEW the officials were going to screw up before they even did it. And he made his point!!
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Post by brisfitboy on Jan 12, 2024 13:39:52 GMT
Mainly agree with your post but it was the fourth official’s intervention that got Harry sent off not the refs. And she also did not report on the behavior of the Barrow player who instigated the confrontation, later shown on mobile footage, which for some reason they ignored during the appeal process. Let’s not forget who that player is either, let’s hope he plays tomorrow 🤞
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Post by paz on Jan 12, 2024 14:21:54 GMT
And she also did not report on the behavior of the Barrow player who instigated the confrontation, later shown on mobile footage, which for some reason they ignored during the appeal process. Let’s not forget who that player is either, let’s hope he plays tomorrow 🤞 And should be given the welcome he deserves.
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Post by pinewalker on Jan 12, 2024 17:57:31 GMT
markf: What you think is irrelevant...🙂 If that's the case, let's shut this forum down now because so is what everybody else thinks and posts on here. As for authority, do you not think that in the current climate and considering the dominant story of the hour, that questioning it, even calling it out isn't a good thing? It certainly worked in the K-L case. I don't always agree with Mark F. but he is right about this case. Both Harry and K-L are 'marked men' to the bunch of referees who officiate at their level. Both have earned their reputations through earlier behaviour, so sympathy is limited. However all players should start a match equal in the eyes of the officials, and only their play in that game should count towards any decisions made. That is not what happens. K-L may have got his card rescinded because of the (lack of) actual injury caused - and the intent of his studs up lunge towards an opponent's shin was ignored because K-L only clipped the Palace player's heel. I had not seen Smith's games before he joined Sutton, so I don't know what he has a reputation for, but twice in our colours he saw fit to tell the ref what he thought of a red card decision and that gets him the extra penalty. Smith's original challenge is not reviewed by TV pundits, who can point out a refereeing error. K-L by the way deserves his reputation. Intimidation is part of his game, Fingers in eyes, elbows in cheeks, studs aimed at the side of the shins or top of the foot - just watch him carefully.
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