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Post by os on Mar 18, 2009 19:07:28 GMT
www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/Postings/2004/08/DisciplinaryLatest.htmAll I can say is that I am seriously disgusted at the FA tonight as I cannot see any charges brought against Tonbridge, surely if others are to be charged they must also be guilty of improper conduct. Like many of you I was there heard and saw their behaviour leading up to the alleged incident and if they walk away from it scot free it will be total injustice and Green light for other clubs to do likewise??
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Post by stevehfc on Mar 18, 2009 21:22:25 GMT
I'm happy to be corrected - but doesn't it depend on what was in the referee's report as to who gets charged? If the referee hasn't reported anyone from Tonbridge, you can hardly blame the FA for not charging them. Blame the referee by all means.
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Post by Andy K on Mar 18, 2009 21:38:31 GMT
Not surprised really - if a manager gets sent off, it has to, by default go to disciplinary. There's by no means any certainty of course that he will be found guilty or punished - and there is no way whichever way you can tell the story that Dos wasn't provoked into a situation!
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Post by os on Mar 18, 2009 21:40:31 GMT
When I say the FA I mean collectively as I don't know what the ref's report said, but I do know there were @500 in that ground who all saw and heard what was going on from before the kick off. I am not trying to condone any alleged actions by any member of the Sutton Staff, but by not charging TAFC it distorts the whole event and that is wrong!
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Post by Amber Aleman on Mar 18, 2009 22:24:52 GMT
I think we just have to accept that verbal provocation is not necessarily an offence under the disciplinary code whereas physical retaliation invariably is. If you don't understand why, try to imagine how difficult it would be to enforce the former.
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Post by os on Mar 18, 2009 22:41:53 GMT
The Provacation started over the PA system so I am not sure how public these things have to be? In my mind there is no doubt what so ever that TAFC at least have a case to answer for their conduct!
Oh and I nearly forgot the programme notes!!!
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Post by Amber Aleman on Mar 18, 2009 22:54:46 GMT
Dos may be able to plead mitigation, though I suspect that won't cut much ice with the FA.
I've just seen Taz's post on the Isthmian forum saying that PD was pinched on the arm by Storey just before the retaliation. Unfortunately if none of the officials saw that then it won't be in the ref's report and so probably won't be admissible.
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Post by The Editor on Mar 19, 2009 12:00:39 GMT
Basically - Dos reacted. Regardless of what has been reported by the officials or not, he is being charged for what he did.
At worst he'll get a touchline ban and a fan. Touchline ban doesn't mean much during the game at our ground given the proximity - though not going in the dressing room at half-time might have more impact. He may just get a ticking off. Who knows.
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Post by Andy K on Mar 19, 2009 12:43:45 GMT
At worst he'll get a touchline ban and a fan. A fan of his choosing? A sutton fan? A desk fan? A new heater fan for an Audi - they cost a bit, I should know...... Ah whatever it is, its just FINE  |
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Post by The Editor on Mar 19, 2009 16:59:36 GMT
Seriously Andy - what do you expect from the editor.
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Post by frakey on Mar 19, 2009 19:00:01 GMT
AA, if the hearing is only going on the ref's report then what would be the point of Dos even turning up? If a PC sees a retaliation by someone to a punch that e doesn't see, he can't report that but only give the evidence he is aware of. Then the defendant is allowed to plead his case making the punch admissable.
If an FA hearing doesn't follow the same guidelines then what is the point of a hearing? They might just as well give him a ban and be done with it.
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Post by pete on Mar 19, 2009 20:50:40 GMT
Correct me if Im wrong, but Dos doesnt have to turn up anyway does he? He only has to respond to the charge, which can be made in writing.
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Post by frakey on Mar 19, 2009 20:57:12 GMT
No, but then how could he put his case over properly, if he indeed wishes to? My point was that if he has any evidence it should be admissible if a personal hearing is requested.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Mar 20, 2009 12:33:45 GMT
The point I was driving at, Frakey, is that if there were no independent witnesses of any initial assault on our manager then the FA may decline to take it into consideration.
If the player denies the assault (no doubt supported by his team mates!) then it all boils down to one person's (or one side's) word against another's.
Of course, Mr Storey might do the decent thing and admit the pinch on Dos's arm. But I wouldn't hold your breath.
The main purpose of the hearing is presumably to give PD the opportunity to challenge anything he doesn't accept in the ref's report.
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Post by frakey on Mar 20, 2009 18:18:50 GMT
I take your point AA but he should still be able to offer mitigating circumstances. It is then up to the panel to decide on any punishment. If they don't believe him fair enough but surely any form of judicial process must allow both sides to offer their evidence, otherwise, a I said above, what is the point of offering the option of a personal hearing?
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