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Post by markn on Feb 19, 2014 15:17:52 GMT
I don't think that Dale Binns will win any popularity contests down at Dover in the near future!
Whilst some are venting their frustrations at a poor performance, some are really down on the manager and his team selection. You would think they are in the bottom three and not on the fringes of the play offs judging by the mood of some.
Mind you, football fans can be miserable sods at times I guess.
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Post by os on Feb 19, 2014 16:22:49 GMT
The problem with Dover is that they have that mind set of just passing through our league, they are stuck in a tin pot division where they don't belong, and its not a question of if they get promoted but when. They build their own pressure in a very similar way to Chelmsford a season or so ago, the frustration shows because they are not top of the table where they belong.
Exspectation can be damaging.
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Post by Andy K on Feb 19, 2014 17:04:28 GMT
Exspectation can be damaging. So can bad spelling  I kind of sympathise - good ground with a good support, have been no lower than 7th since they walked away with the Ryman title in 2008. I can imagine some of them look at teams with a fraction of support with a bit of a sneer in the same way that you get in most divisions. When you have a side like Weston above them on smaller crowds and no doubt resources, and of course the fact that on at least 2 possibly 3 occasions they were only saved by another club going bust, you can kind of see their point. They probably have a bit of "we're a big fish in a small pond" mentality, without probably registering that if they did go up they'll be a very small sprat. |
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Post by os on Feb 19, 2014 17:13:44 GMT
Exspectation can be damaging. So can bad spelling Not spelling just this damn stupid ipad keyboard:( |
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Post by markf on Feb 19, 2014 20:20:20 GMT
Have to say the Dover Forum is quite unbelievable. But to suggest they are not representative of the Dover fan base (AA) is ridiculous. That is like saying none of us here on AP are representative of U's fans and that is clearly not the case.
Add that to the general atmosphere from their end last night and there it would appear to be the Dover fan base - hard core anyway. And what were they moaning about? Well, let's make this very clear: we really did slow the game down last night to the point where even some of us U's fans were getting mildly annoyed. It was totally out of character for U's to approach an early lead like this perhaps Dos will explain in his interview.
Having said that, Dover fans should note that their no 3 was guilty of two uses of the arm that resulted in both Kane Haysman and Dundo requiring attention. The first was a deliberate off the ball cuff as Kane looked to get forward to receive a potential pass. The second was less clear cut but a flailing arm caught Dundo in the face. Not sure there was any intent with that one. Earlier Jason Brown had taken a boot in the mush too. Chuck a couple of other heavy challenges in and well, there you have it. The ref added 7 mins over the course of the match and still the recently free-scoring home side couldn't muster an effort on target, so who's to blame for the defeat?
Goulding's sending off was stupid and both looked yellow card challenges to me.
One thing the Dover forum does do well is consider the limitations of their team. That does not give credit to U's defence last night. Led by the brilliant Charlie Clough, who is fast becoming one of the best centre-backs U's have ever had (he reminds me of John Delaney in his prime and Delaney was seriously good). Alongside young Louis John was equally superb. The full backs did well, which brings me back to Dover's forum and Dale Binns. Now, I've seen Binnsy rip us a new one with many a club starting with Hendon and then Cambridge City.....
but all I've ever had was grudging admiration rather than the obvious dislike the Dover fans have for him. What's that all about? Or is it because he is a bloody good footballer who has proved he can defend as well as attack?
Our midfield worked so hard in the heaviest parts of the pitch and of course Dundo got onto Scanners early cross and finished brilliantly. That was justice for last year's appalling linesman decision which robbed Sutton of a deserved victory. Dundo was immense in the second half as the pitch sapped tired legs, Dundo's strength grew and he ploughed his way forward. But there were excellent contributions from all the 14 players used.
Their 'keeper was for busier than Jason Brown (must say that JB was an assured presence behind that masterful back line). Ok, it was not U's most fluent performance of the season but in those conditions against a decent if limited (in the creative sense) Dover side U's continued their fine recent record at The Crabble.
Not sure what happened when we went off as I was heading down the hill. I heard a lot of noise and I note on their forum that U's players were accused of being unprofessional. Well, if you're gonna get abused and have a lighted ciggie chucked at you are you really going to shrink into your shells? No, course not. If the Dover fans don't like it, don't dish it out. Simple really.
To conclude: the best team on the night got the three points. Kinnear makes some play about our wage bill but wasn't it Dover who was splashing the cash in their Ryman days? We appear to have improved at a greater rate of knots than Dover has since that 6-0 defeat. Perhaps the retention of the same manager and coaching staff (with the addition of Able) is a pointer. Not sure how many managers Dover have had since Hessenthaler left? Continuity.
One thing I will say about Dover is excellent programme: my favourite so far this season including Chelmsford's.
That is all.
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Post by os on Feb 19, 2014 20:31:04 GMT
Just wonder if we have ever had so many players with league experience in our squad? If we include Telfs in that league appearance come to well over 1000 in all 4 divisions in England plus the SPL. Not only that but we have 4 squad members with full international honours to their names, and last night against Dover we fielded 3 of them together. I would not be surprised if that is actually a first for the conference south??
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Post by jr on Feb 19, 2014 21:01:11 GMT
Sadly couldn't go last night but I have to say I was angered at reading Dover's forum. Some of their fans feel it's perfectly reasonable to throw objects at opposing players. This is simply unacceptable and something should be done about it. If they were lighted cigarettes then it could blind someone.
Great performance by the boys by the looks of it and sensible rotation of the players given the heavy pitches.
Shame Dover fans are such sore losers.
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Post by Juan on Feb 19, 2014 21:12:26 GMT
This has to be the best quote I've heard in a while; taken from the Dover Forum...
"nevermind Sutton's number 8, who has always been a bit of a brick shithouse"
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Post by oohaah on Feb 20, 2014 9:30:09 GMT
This has to be the best quote I've heard in a while; taken from the Dover Forum... "nevermind Sutton's number 8, who has always been a bit of a brick shithouse" ...and this has to be the worst, taken from the same forum: Dale Binns is the most odious little sh*t in non league football, it would be a massive shame if somebody accidentally ended his career. |
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Post by Andy K on Feb 20, 2014 10:16:33 GMT
Am I in the minority here thinking that the Dover forum isn't that bad? Yes there are 4 or 5 posts early on going on about time wasting/Binnsy etc, but almost all of the rest of the 60 odd posts are about their limitations and about the tactics that Chris Kinnear used/didn't use. I wouldn't say they were sore losers, just frustrated at their performance. And similar tones/themes I've seen from Sutton supporters on here in the past.
As for the fag throwing. Yes it's not acceptable and if the club feel it's something to make an issue of they should.
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Post by Stewart on Feb 20, 2014 11:42:37 GMT
I think they were very frustrated by their lack of ideas. I think there is a deep down feeling they were just not good enough on the night. They were looking for scapegoats. The only thing the majority failed to acknowledge was Sutton were superb  |
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Post by Stewart on Feb 20, 2014 11:48:55 GMT
This has to be the best quote I've heard in a while; taken from the Dover Forum... "nevermind Sutton's number 8, who has always been a bit of a brick shithouse" ...and this has to be the worst, taken from the same forum: Dale Binns is the most odious little sh*t in non league football, it would be a massive shame if somebody accidentally ended his career. ..and maybe this is the most honest. ''We can moan as much as we like about Sutton's time wasting, play acting etc. and about a poor ref but at the end of the day we were just second best. We were caught cold at the start and could only huff and puff for the rest of the match. Let's face it Sutton did a professional job on us.'' |
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Post by Amber Aleman on Feb 20, 2014 13:18:29 GMT
and this has to be the worst, taken from the same forum: Dale Binns is the most odious little sh*t in non league football, it would be a massive shame if somebody accidentally ended his career. The individual who posted that is known to a few of us on here. Let's just say that he likes to be provocative and occasionally oversteps the mark. Fans who want to complain are more likely to post on a forum than those who are just mildly disappointed or philosophical about what happened. That's why I said that the moaners - who may be a small minority of the fans - are not necessarily representative (i.e. typical). But I am a bit surprised by the amount of grumbling on the Dover forum. Perhaps expectations are too high. Dover are one of the better funded and supported clubs in Conference South. Could the town's location mean the club has difficulty attracting enough players of the right calibre? |
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Post by oohaah on Feb 20, 2014 19:14:16 GMT
and this has to be the worst, taken from the same forum: Dale Binns is the most odious little sh*t in non league football, it would be a massive shame if somebody accidentally ended his career. Could the town's location What, in France you mean?  |
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Post by bornatotter on Feb 21, 2014 22:23:21 GMT
From the Dover forum
"Now Sutton as a whole. Disgraceful tactics. Fair enough you score in the 3d minute and keep to the lead and credit for that but there is no need at anytime in the game for taking as much time as you bloody well like. It was a farce to witness and a disgrace to football. Who the hell learns to play like that? No one. This was further demonstrated at the end of the game with their unprofessional behaviour towards opposition fans (granted that some Dover fan(s) did not paint ourselves in glory by throwing minor items)."
Minor items? What would that be? A pair of knickers? Did someone think it was a Tom Jones concert. ?
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