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Post by Juan on Oct 11, 2014 23:17:37 GMT
While I understand the clamour to consider the likes of Ollie Sitch it is a pretty big step up and in Ollie's case he has only just graduated out of the youth team.I have seen him play and he certainly knows where the goal is but he won't have come up against some of the giant and often uncompromising defenders of the CS. A lot different to playing the reserves of Step 5 clubs. I wouldn't discount the idea altogether but there is a danger of "ruining" young talent by blooding that talent too early. And should we be putting the pressure on such young shoulders? Certainly with Joe Kuffour unavailable and Jess injured we are short of forwards at present. when you say ruining young talent bythis i take it you mean putting him on the bench for a psf game, and not even giving him a chance of a run out, a little soul destroying wouldn't you say? To be honest what harm can it do to give him a chance. I'm not saying srart with him, perhaps give him 20/ 25 mins, if we are of course 2 goals up in game or something along those lines. Maybe he has something to offer. I thought the whole point of having a youth and reserve team sett up was to bring through potential stars of the future, and give them the coaching they need to improve in order to become better , to therefore stand a chance of becoming regular first teamers ? I'm not convinced by Bignall, If im honest.... when was the last time he scored? Any one actually know?
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Post by os on Oct 11, 2014 23:33:13 GMT
While I understand the clamour to consider the likes of Ollie Sitch it is a pretty big step up and in Ollie's case he has only just graduated out of the youth team.I have seen him play and he certainly knows where the goal is but he won't have come up against some of the giant and often uncompromising defenders of the CS. A lot different to playing the reserves of Step 5 clubs. I wouldn't discount the idea altogether but there is a danger of "ruining" young talent by blooding that talent too early. And should we be putting the pressure on such young shoulders? Certainly with Joe Kuffour unavailable and Jess injured we are short of forwards at present. when you say ruining young talent bythis i take it you mean putting him on the bench for a psf game, and not even giving him a chance of a run out, a little soul destroying wouldn't you say? To be honest what harm can it do to give him a chance. I'm not saying srart with him, perhaps give him 20/ 25 mins, if we are of course 2 goals up in game or something along those lines. Maybe he has something to offer. I thought the whole point of having a youth and reserve team sett up was to bring through potential stars of the future, and give them the coaching they need to improve in order to become better , to therefore stand a chance of becoming regular first teamers ? I'm not convinced by Bignall, If im honest.... when was the last time he scored? Any one actually know? I am sitting here lstening to deprssing music, and its helping me wallow ' I just can't believe we did that, I won't sleep now! Although I think Ollie and Emile show a lot of promise the CS is a massive step up and I prefer sending them out on loan for a month or 2 and see what we get back, and I am sure it would be better for them in their developement. Coming into a side trying to find its confidence again is not the best introduction to senior football?
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Post by simmi on Oct 11, 2014 23:50:31 GMT
I'm with Juan on this one. A player in his development will need to explore the high and lows of football regardless of what state the team is in. If the guy is good enough let him play. What harm can it do? Judging by the problems at the moment we might actually need young and hungry players looking to impress and earn a place in the squad. Has to be a better solution then bringing in yet more journeymen players looking half bothered about playing for our club.
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Post by shrewsbury posse on Oct 11, 2014 23:55:59 GMT
You don't win anything with kids
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Post by Andy K on Oct 12, 2014 0:18:23 GMT
I wasn't at the game today (like I wasn't at the Alton game a few years back), but without putting words in anyone's mouths, is anyone actually surprised we were done in a way which sounds like so often this season? From reading the reports above, it sounds like our best player was our captain playing out of position kind of sums it up really. Yes we may have players who have played at a higher level, but can we hand on heart say there were a success at a higher level? Like I've said earlier the new players we've got in really have yet to impress, but I'm trying to find out the reason why we are basically substandard. Look at what has changed from last season - we've lost Brown, Scannell, Slabber, Downer, Sinclair, Williams and Taylor - all of which had star turns in a U's shirt. I'm sure any supporter can remember games or moments. And who have these players been replaced with?
Although the buck stops with Dos, it would be unduly harsh to point the blame at him - all of those leaving with possibly Dean Sinclair were either out of his control or made perfectly good business sense. I think the fact at the moment is that the replacements who have come in have not matched the standards of those going out. Plus ones we could rely on from last season not being up to their usual standard. Do some of these stalwarts work better with certain types of players? Are we missing the coaching influence of McKimm and Telfer? Is the fact that other sides do have much bigger budgets than us (contrary to popular belief)? Was the Beadle incident at the start of the season toxic on a number of players?
I do think from what I've seen there are a couple of players who probably are not good enough for this level or are not appropriately settled here to do us or themselves justice in a Sutton shirt. The risk is can we get hold of better replacements? Or are we stuck with the tools we've got? We've got problems across the park - the big issue of the defence being caught time and time again, week after week coupled with the fact that we cannot rely on the strikers banging them in (today a perfect example - a defensive midfielder scored the goal, and our best striker is a centre back by trade).
I said earlier in the thread that if we played like we did against Ebbsfleet, or 2nd half against Bath/FC Romania/Borehamwood, or start like Staines, and first half against Concord, we'd get done. Sadly I've been proved very right as it sounds like the same problems time and time again. One off mistake are acceptable, but it's getting to be the same story week in week out. I'm sure Dos is well aware of this too, and possibly at a bit of a loss about where the root cause of it is, but it may well be one change can change things for the better. Just remember this isn't the Ian Hazel/Ernie Howe era. This is Dos, a man who's never let us down before and we have great faith in. We can turn it around.....
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Post by Andy K on Oct 12, 2014 0:26:09 GMT
Oh on Ollie Stich - I get the point that he will be hungry, and it maybe what we need, but we need to proceed with caution. I remember a similar situation with a reserve players called Steve Douglas. Same thing, banging it in for fun in the reserves, came into the first time, some fans treated him as the new messiah, and the step up was too big. Ended up not making the grade and actually quit football.
And look at recent reserve team graduates -have any of them managed to establish themselves in the team, even when given chances since Tommy Kavs? I think it may be a short term gain at best at the moment. But again totally agree with the point that it may well be better than journeymen players not giving a toss on the pitch.
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Post by bornatotter on Oct 12, 2014 0:26:38 GMT
I think we knew in our guts this was coming. We've rocked up with a squad jammed with wanna be pros who couldn't get a gig anywhere else once the doors slammed shut and we are paying them wages as they eye up their next move. I don't criticise for fun or easily but I would really like to see some signs this is being sorted. Presumably the budget, based on getting to round one proper , is now bolloxed so three of four players on a wedge will have to be shipped out anyways. That is economic reality. I don't think it will do us any harm to be honest. Burgess Hill are a really decent side. Good luck to them. Unfortunately at the moment we are playing sh*t and I just hope no one try's to blame the fans off that. I spoke to a couple of blokes on the platform at west sutton who haven't been for a while and who are unlikely to come again any time soon and pay twelve quid after today. These are tough times.
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Post by tonyd on Oct 12, 2014 0:40:09 GMT
Could anyone have predicted today's starting XI? Can anyone predict next week's? We haven't played the same starting XI in two consecutive games as far as I can see. With a quarter of the season gone I think we'd all be hard pressed to say what we think the "first XI" is, which is a pointer to how much we are in disarray at the moment.
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Post by exiledsufc on Oct 12, 2014 2:09:52 GMT
While I understand the clamour to consider the likes of Ollie Sitch it is a pretty big step up and in Ollie's case he has only just graduated out of the youth team.I have seen him play and he certainly knows where the goal is but he won't have come up against some of the giant and often uncompromising defenders of the CS. A lot different to playing the reserves of Step 5 clubs. I wouldn't discount the idea altogether but there is a danger of "ruining" young talent by blooding that talent too early. And should we be putting the pressure on such young shoulders? Certainly with Joe Kuffour unavailable and Jess injured we are short of forwards at present. we won't know until we try him,remember Owen in the world cup,same senario,was tht Spillane's idea of making up for th Bath result?
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Post by Del on Oct 12, 2014 7:04:16 GMT
One of the interesting aspects of that game was bringing Clough up to centre forward.What a difference it made !It just shows that if we had another forward we could have brought on we could have changed the game around.Admittedly another defensive error cost us but we are not far off a good team if we can obtain the right players.
We seem to be blighted by injuries and do not have quality in depth to cover.
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Post by jr on Oct 12, 2014 8:48:04 GMT
We were woeful. The football we play is far too negative. Passing the ball backwards all the time when you have to go forward. When we changed the way we played in the second half we were more threatening.
But here is where one of the main problem lies, we try and walk the ball into the net. Other teams like to shoot at our goal so why don't we shoot at theirs. Dundas in the first half got to the edge of the box with defenders backing off and decided to pass to a player in an offside position when he was in a great position. Put your foot through the ball man. Wellard. How may times did he cut inside and then pass the ball. SHOOT. What happens when we shoot, we get a deflected goal. With all the pressure we had in that second half I think their keeper made just 2 saves. Pathetic. It's been like that week in week out. The aim of the game is to put the ball in the back of the oppos net more times than they put it in ours but we don't SHOOT so that's not going to happen!
If any players read this I hope you get the message.
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Post by Stewart on Oct 12, 2014 9:43:43 GMT
Regarding young promising players I'm sure there is a process at Sutton where they are recommended to train with the first team squad. They will soon know if they had the ability to progress. Maybe that has happened!
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Post by Stewart on Oct 12, 2014 9:51:25 GMT
Could anyone have predicted today's starting XI? Can anyone predict next week's? We haven't played the same starting XI in two consecutive games as far as I can see. With a quarter of the season gone I think we'd all be hard pressed to say what we think the "first XI" is, which is a pointer to how much we are in disarray at the moment. True much of that is due to injuries. I heard a second Sutton player may have to give up football due to injuries, we have been blighted this season by them We missed Jessy yesterday, just one player could have made all the difference.
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Post by amberchoc on Oct 12, 2014 12:11:14 GMT
Cheer up chaps, worse things happen at sea.
As I was driving to the game I got caught in the tailback caused by an accident on the A217. It looked like a bad one - the roof had to be cut open to get to the driver. As a result, I didn't arrive until 2.50, by which time the programmes had all sold out.
So, although the team has lost and the club missed out on a bigger payday, things are a lot worse for the poor driver in the accident.
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Post by nigcapgue on Oct 12, 2014 17:31:30 GMT
We were woeful. The football we play is far too negative. Passing the ball backwards all the time when you have to go forward. When we changed the way we played in the second half we were more threatening. But here is where one of the main problem lies, we try and walk the ball into the net. Other teams like to shoot at our goal so why don't we shoot at theirs. Dundas in the first half got to the edge of the box with defenders backing off and decided to pass to a player in an offside position when he was in a great position. Put your foot through the ball man. Wellard. How may times did he cut inside and then pass the ball. SHOOT. What happens when we shoot, we get a deflected goal. With all the pressure we had in that second half I think their keeper made just 2 saves. Pathetic. It's been like that week in week out. The aim of the game is to put the ball in the back of the oppos net more times than they put it in ours but we don't SHOOT so that's not going to happen! If any players read this I hope you get the message. The supporters certainly have and I think there can be no argument here. Our other problem is that the players do not appear to have any knowledge of the basics of the game. P/M/S i.e. Passing Movement and Shooting
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