Rambo
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Post by Rambo on Feb 15, 2008 13:04:23 GMT
Did anyone else read the article in one of the papers this week about the new proposal next season.............players caught swearing by the referee will be sent off ! I haven't got the article to hand, but I think that there were 18 Leagues who were going to be involved in the "experiment"........I wonder if the Blue Square & Ryman Leagues etc are involved ?
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Post by suttonview on Feb 15, 2008 13:08:59 GMT
I thought this was going to be trialled in the Northern League (Step5), but I may be wrong. I wonder how many matches will end up abandoned because too many players are sent off ?
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Post by popinjay on Feb 15, 2008 13:13:49 GMT
There's quite a few teams around my neck of the woods who play in that league and I dare say the answer to your question, SuttonView, is ****ing loads!
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Post by garethl on Feb 15, 2008 14:38:50 GMT
The players will soon get the message if the referees are firm with the ruling! This should have been in place at all levels of the game for a long time, it is ridiculous that the FA have failed to act on this sooner. I would actually go further and prevent any sort of questioning of referees at all. Simple as that. Any questioning in cricket equals fines and bans, rugby sees on field punishment to the team. I think the language kids(and adults) see from their 'heroes' has been a major part in the marked decline in the use of the English language in schools and scoiety in general.
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Post by garethl on Feb 15, 2008 14:40:03 GMT
(I do actually mean see above too - through obvious lip reading on tv!)
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markf
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Post by markf on Feb 15, 2008 17:55:28 GMT
Er, garethl, there's nothing new in this. Foul & abusive language is already catered for in the laws of the game, it's just that the ref's don't tend to pursue it. Each ref has his own tolerance level & acts on that basis.
I can see some Sunday games being abandoned as so many players end up getting sent off.
That in turn will put other pressures on the ref as he becomes the "villain" for causing the abandonment and that worries me more than a few swear words as it could turn nasty.
In the past, when I've felt the need, I've blown my whistle & warned everyone on the pitch to cut it out & have dealt with individuals when they have crossed the line dependant on the level of abuse.
Only two words would warrant an immediate straight red from me. They both begin with C & one is cheat! Otherwise, a warning and any repition will be carded, colour dependant on the players choice of words.
As for society in general, I didn't use "heroes" to learn to swear, it just came naturally & unfortunately, still does! And my parents never used/use hard core language, ever.
The marked decline in the use of English Language is probably more to do with an attitude to learning over the past 20 years or so.
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DaveF
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Post by DaveF on Feb 15, 2008 18:14:16 GMT
I used to blush when I played alongside you, Mark Sometimes, we hadn't even kicked-off
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Post by popinjay on Feb 16, 2008 9:39:13 GMT
If it's in the laws of the game, then referees clearly aren't doing their jobs properly - it's outrageous what you can lip-read players saying on the TV, they get away with all sorts. The problem surely is that though - players being seen/heard swearing on the TV, because that's where kids are seeing their role models do it and then copying that kind of behaviour/attitude. The problem might also occur in lower leagues but it's on a far smaller scale with far less kids exposed to it. The best way to cut it out is to make top level referees send players off for swearing - that would set an example right through all the leagues, and most importantly to kids, as everybody would take notice. Who would take notice if a few Northern League players got sent off? Nobody.
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markf
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Post by markf on Feb 16, 2008 10:32:44 GMT
Poppinjay, read my comment again - the ref's tolerance level is a big factor. I remember my first appointment as a linesman. The ref said that F&A language is up to the individual's tolerance level & should flag when breached. It is a very difficult issue to handle, because, as I said before you could end up with an abandonment. Do you really think that that is going to happen in front of 60,000 people at Old Trafford?
Maybe if one was sent off it would stop it but I doubt it. Unfortunately, it has become a reflex reaction in football (rarely is the use of F&A language malicious). I've had many a player come up & apologise to me after a game & I hadn't even taken any action over it. A heat of the moment thing & as a ref, that has to be taken into consideration, otherwise football won't be an 11 a-side sport for long!
Hon Sec - I've know idea what you are ******* talking about you ****!
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Post by popinjay on Feb 16, 2008 15:20:21 GMT
Yes fair enough but it shouldn't be down to each individual referee's level of tolerance. Players should know what is and isn't allowed when they step onto the pitch, regardless of who is refereeing. If a match at Old Trafford was abandoned then that would create a huge amount of attention and would probably make players all over stop and think about swearing all the time on the pitch!
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markf
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Post by markf on Feb 16, 2008 21:51:59 GMT
Old Trafford tonight, clearly audible on the BBC as it is every time man U are winning on the box, the chant "Who the **** are Man Utd?" Far more obvious than any player swearing during the coverage.
What are we gonna do about that? I Know, play the next home match behind closed doors & when the rest of the fans in the league start singing who's the ****** in the black, do the same to them too.
It's unfortunate but the culture of searing at football has grown over the past 30 years & to iradicate it totally will be very difficult.
I watched Hot Fuzz on DCD earlier - i'm glad I only borrowed it because it wasn't that great. The C word was used in it & was clearly legible in an early scene. This was only a 15 classification.
So, let's stop blaming football for swearing in society & wake up to the fact that it is part of our culture. Not a happy thought maybe but a plain & simple fact.
And as for referee's being not given the option to use their own tolerance levels & therefore there own common sense, well we might as well just produce robots to officiate. Blimey, FIFA have done their best to try & strangle referees individualism as it is, turning footy into an almost non-contact sport in the process. Ask Paul Honey about that!!
Players know what they can & can't say. Give me the ref who protects players from potential career threatening injury any day over the guy who can't handle a bit of invective aimed at him.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Feb 16, 2008 22:14:08 GMT
It's unfortunate but the culture of searing at football has grown over the past 30 years. What's wrong with a little light barbecueing on the terraces?
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Rax
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Post by Rax on Feb 17, 2008 13:03:24 GMT
At one stage the BBC actually considered not having 'live' sound from the crowd and instead use 'stock' sound instead. They scrapped the idea for obvious reasons.
With regards to swearing while playing it's always going to happen. I'm a nightmare on the pitch and that's just 5 a side that doesn't overly matter. I'm afraid to say I have been sin binned for telling the ref what I thought of him although he did let everyone else get away with it. Not too sure why he picked on me and a bit of consistency would've been nice.
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Post by Millsy on Feb 17, 2008 13:39:27 GMT
On the revolving highlights on the red button they keep showing a young Cardiff fan giving a double-handed nescafe shake!
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markf
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Post by markf on Feb 17, 2008 15:21:06 GMT
AA is your total purpose in life to pick up on my errors be it in word choice or in this case just a simple typo?
I do, for your sake, hope not!!
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