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Post by brisfitboy on Aug 23, 2018 21:09:43 GMT
Your mum! 😁😁 You could argue that the area within compass-defined postal districts (E, EC, N etc) is London whereas the wider area within the capital's 32 Boroughs (plus the City) is Greater London. Much too complicated all that malarkey ...... Keep it simple ...... Anything inside the M25 innit. Therefore Watford is in the London suburban area! |
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Post by jr on Aug 23, 2018 21:14:47 GMT
What I've always found strange is how postcodes work. For instance Worcester Park is KT4 but is in the London Borough of Sutton. I'm sure there's plenty of other examples.
New Addington is CR0 but so is Waddon! Why it's not CR10 i have no idea. Always baffled me (not hard I know).
Incidentally Croydon is the only postcode area in the UK with a zero postcode (CR0) and there is no CR1.
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Post by wolfie19 on Aug 23, 2018 21:20:07 GMT
Liverpool was the first provincial town to be divided into postal districts in 1864, followed by Manchester
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Post by Del on Aug 23, 2018 21:56:03 GMT
No. Sutton is in Surrey & Greater London. Nothing to do with the M25.
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Post by VCLXI on Aug 23, 2018 22:15:14 GMT
What I've always found strange is how postcodes work. For instance Worcester Park is KT4 but is in the London Borough of Sutton. I'm sure there's plenty of other examples. New Addington is CR0 but so is Waddon! Why it's not CR10 i have no idea. Always baffled me (not hard I know). Incidentally Croydon is the only postcode area in the UK with a zero postcode (CR0) and there is no CR1. Don't get me started on post codes. I plan routes for a living and the TN area is probably one of the largest and worst to remember. And why anyone would stick BN88 in the Brighton area is beyond me. |
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Post by Andy K on Aug 23, 2018 22:42:55 GMT
Hmmm. I never said I missed the discussion...
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Post by VCLXI on Aug 23, 2018 22:50:08 GMT
Sutton is a London Borough. Since when, 1965? Correct me if I'm wrong. Ergo, Sutton is in London. End of discussion.  |
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Post by Del on Aug 24, 2018 5:38:42 GMT
A London borough in the County Of Surrey but not administered by Surrey.
What a a much better town it was when run by Surrey County Council !
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Post by sallycat on Aug 24, 2018 7:18:15 GMT
What I've always found strange is how postcodes work. For instance Worcester Park is KT4 but is in the London Borough of Sutton. I'm sure there's plenty of other examples. New Addington is CR0 but so is Waddon! Why it's not CR10 i have no idea. Always baffled me (not hard I know). Incidentally Croydon is the only postcode area in the UK with a zero postcode (CR0) and there is no CR1. I must be mistaken here but I thought I had seen other 0 postcodes. Wonder why I thought that. Worcester Park is actually in three different administrative areas, jr. Roughly speaking, the bit west of the railway line but south of the station is in Epsom & Ewell. Everything else west of the railway line is Kingston. The remainder, including all the main shops, is Sutton. I used to live in Pembury Avenue and I remember one year when it snowed Sutton Council cleared the snow from about half the road and then abruptly stopped and left the rest of the street snowy. If you looked carefully you could see the line coincided with where Kingston wheelie bins started to appear outside houses. As someone upthread said, one could make an argument for dividing London/Not-London by postcode, but only an extremely unconvincing one, especially when there is already a clear cut boundary marked by London's constituent boroughs. County, city and borough boundaries change over time to reflect urban growth amongst other things. What was once way outside London has become part of it due to the huge spread of the city. However, postal addresses and postcodes rarely change to match for obvious reasons - that would cause a LOT of confusion. Postcodes and addresses therefore contain a lot of "fossils" (the most obvious example being the county of Middlesex). Using such out of date markers to argue about the current situation makes about as much sense as using the pre-1965 boundaries to insist that's how things still are. |
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Post by trev on Aug 24, 2018 10:11:13 GMT
As some of our legal readers will already be aware, dividing London/Not-London by postcode is far from straightforward.
The Solicitors' Guideline Hourly Rates divide London into three grades, the highest (Grade 1), covering the City of London (i.e. postcodes EC1 to EC4), the second highest (Grade 2) covering Central London (i.e. postcodes W1, WC1, WC2 and SW1), and the lowest (Grade 3) covering Outer London, which in addition to postcodes W, NW, N, E, SE, SW, also expressly includes Bromley, Croydon, Dartford, Gravesend and Uxbridge.
So even some traditionally non-London postcodes are regarded as part of London, from a legal standpoint.
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Post by sallycat on Aug 24, 2018 10:45:12 GMT
So E1 is not considered central? That's interesting, considering it borders EC3. I used to work in E1 (Aldgate) and it felt very central, not to mention just a few short minutes' stroll from the Bank of England and the Tower of London.
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Post by trev on Aug 24, 2018 11:07:02 GMT
Yes, some of those distinctions do seem rather arbitrary. I lived in Canning Town (E16) for a few years, from which the gleaming towers of Canary Wharf (E14) were clearly visible, but the difference between the two areas was massive. The high flyers ensconced in E14 offices couldn't have been working in more different conditions to their impoverished E16 counterparts.
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Post by sallycat on Aug 24, 2018 11:49:08 GMT
There's a similarly wide diversity across the E1 district itself, come to think of it.
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Post by oohaah on Aug 24, 2018 15:07:21 GMT
...and who's going to tell the youf that there's no Sowf London (la la la).
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Post by brisfitboy on Aug 24, 2018 15:45:51 GMT
...and who's going to tell the youf that there's no Sowf London (la la la). Surely it’s Sarf London or is that only to a Cockney?😱 |
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