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Post by davethegrave on Oct 31, 2018 16:50:22 GMT
I'm guessing that it's probably the police. Why then did they decide that last night's game against Chesterfield who brought less than 200 from the North was likely to be a problem? Have they got a problem or reputation? Or was it to protect them from our supporters?
Logically then you would assume that next Saturday's game against Dagenham would be segregated too as they would be bringing considerably more from just a few miles away. They DO have a reputation and there have been flashpoints in the past with their supporters. But no - whoever decides these things seems to think that Chesterfield were a greater threat.
I think there should be more consistency with these decisions.
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Post by surreyu on Oct 31, 2018 16:54:37 GMT
I highly doubt they will bring as many as chesterfield, their crowds have shrunk at home and they only had 78 at Dover last night, a far short yet trip than Chesterfield
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Post by garethl on Oct 31, 2018 20:09:19 GMT
Would expect 150-200 from Dagenham on a Saturday at least. Tuesday night in Dover is not really a comparison! Another win might add a few more.
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Post by Big Al on Oct 31, 2018 21:04:45 GMT
The original point is a good one, however. There is no real history of trouble at Sutton and I personally think it's sad that we segregate for such small numbers and where there is no real or perceived threat. A lot of the reason people like myself are so drawn to football at this level is actually the ability to walk around the ground, mix with opposition supporters, enjoy the atmosphere etc etc. I know there are some occasions where it is genuinely necessary but would love to see how it is decided and by whom or is it another of those decisions like not being able to stand against the fence.
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Post by Del on Oct 31, 2018 21:44:10 GMT
Not a great lover of segregation at this level of football but i believe when we do its on police advice.
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Post by Carl on Nov 1, 2018 9:04:02 GMT
I'm guessing that it's probably the police. Why then did they decide that last night's game against Chesterfield who brought less than 200 from the North was likely to be a problem? Have they got a problem or reputation? Or was it to protect them from our supporters? Logically then you would assume that next Saturday's game against Dagenham would be segregated too as they would be bringing considerably more from just a few miles away. They DO have a reputation and there have been flashpoints in the past with their supporters. But no - whoever decides these things seems to think that Chesterfield were a greater threat. I think there should be more consistency with these decisions. A quick look of Home Office datasets on Banning Orders show that Chesterfield have a large number of new and ongoing Orders for violence and public disorder. That might have informed police thinking and therefore advice given to SUFC to segregate.
When we segregate the question you should ask is what have the visiting fans done to deserve that fate?
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Post by Andy K on Nov 1, 2018 13:37:42 GMT
History between clubs doesn't mean that we can be 100% sure that there isn't the potential of trouble. Take Maidstone last season. No problems with them at all, then they came to us, unsegregated, on a sunny August afternoon and it kicked off. Eastleigh in a similar way.
The clubs in question know their own fans and the appropriate police know the same and I expect take on a case by case decision on what happens. If you want consistency, then every game gets segregated. I think the fact we've had less this season (both home and away) is a testament to those making those calls.
One thing I have noticed (with fans of both sides) - I get a feeling of more aggression when we are segregated compared to when we are not. I expect as those fans more inclined in that direction feel a little bit more "protected" and perhaps a little less responsible for their actions. That of course could lead to more incidents happening outside of the arena of play.
And it's not the numbers that matter as much as those involved in the situations. You could have 200 or 20 in an away crowd but if they both contain 5 nutcases hell bent on getting into a ruck, it will amount to a similar outcome.
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