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Post by medwaysider on Mar 13, 2019 23:47:42 GMT
OS, I'd agree, it's a genuine crossroads for Us as a club and just using this forum as a barometer, never mind the hierarchy of the club, it seems to me that our own supporters are genuinely split as to whether we should make plans for the FL or merely enjoy where we are, and the fact we're not playing the likes of Harrow Borough (no disrespect intended to HBFC by the way) any longer.
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Post by mca on Mar 14, 2019 5:15:11 GMT
This feels a bit North Korean to me. The paying public may have as opinion as long as it a positive one. Wouldn't wanna upset the players who haven't scored in 6 of the last 7 games. They're playing crap, I'm sure they know that better than anyone,and dont need fans to tell them,but that doesn't mean fans aren't allowed to let off steam. Maybe it does Not sure I'd go the whole Kim Jung Un hog here and it is easy to get hysterical after a very bad defeat but no one is immune from criticism. I'd also say that any player who is more concerned by what is written on a message board on a (let's be honest) fairly tame forum than improving their own game lacks the psychological strength to succeed, long term. If they're seriously affected by the largely benign criticism on here, it doesn't bode well (not that I'm saying they are, I don't believe that for a moment of the players or Dos) Obviously the NK reference was tounge in cheek. I do agree that this board is usually always fair and very mild when it comes to fans giving off. If the argument is that players and staff read it, therefore we should keep criticisms to ourselves, then just say it's a board for information only. I personally don't think mild moaning sends anyone into a corner raising hankys to their faces and crying. These lads are tougher than that. No individual gets roasted on here. It's an entertainment business and Its really not very entertaining AT THE MOMENT. But that doesn't mean I dont also realise that management are working with alot of body parts tied behind their back. Being part time in a full time league obviously means finishing mid table is success. I think both things as the same time. This club is run wonderfully, and we're also playing terribly at the mo. (I did think the Hartlepool game was the most entertaining of the season) |
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Post by amberinexile on Mar 14, 2019 12:01:30 GMT
Hi again, Andy,
'Supercilious and condescending' on your hashtag - that's a joke, right? Please tell me it is.
'I'm not going to judge others if they don't feel the same' - good! I agree.
'admirer' - in your last post: steady; I might not think the above is a joke, lol.
'It's clearly that you think they are not trying hard enough.' Jeez...not just me, Andy. How many times must I refer you to Dos's interview?
I'll lift my own quote on it. Sorry. 'Listen again, if you need to, and read between Dos's lines. He, not me, spoke of seven or eight players who hadn't, or recently haven't, 'gone to war'. Forget injury, forget form: he's talking about heart. You can see that, surely?' So again, can you see this?
'You obviously have no intention of listening and go ahead and twist what I'm saying'. Got me there! I'll guess you don't want individual players discussed, and I do. So please tell me where I've twisted things. If what I've just said is correct, we're on the same page.
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Post by garethl on Mar 14, 2019 14:13:32 GMT
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I agree the board have a lot to ponder about future direction, if a plant out grows its pot you plant it in a bigger one or prune it back. Will the clubs branches now be pruned or will we get that bigger pot? I said in a post last week, our club is at a defining point in its history. In years to come, this club will look back at this era and say it was the foundation period for a club that can challenge for league status or one which sees this era as we do the late 80s.
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I'm not sure why we have so much to ponder. Can't we just keep doing what we're doing and improve piece by piece? I don't see how we have the funds to do anything different to what we are (which is PRETTY UNREAL). To my mind we are moving forward quickly, off the pitch and on. What more do you want? Aren't we being greedy? We are close to or are the NUMBER 1 semi professional (but also semi disservice because to all intents and purposes we do things very professionally).
I wouldn't even say a handful of bad results even matter in the grand scheme. Disappointing in the short term yes but I wouldn't back against us being ready to go next season. Sometimes these sorts of runs provide an opportunity. For now I would probably say to the players just go out, pass the football, work hard and enjoy yourselves. Show me you want to be part of this next season. Entertain yourselves and the fans. We have nothing to lose this season.
EDIT - sorry I mucked the quote up!
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Post by baggiesansutton on Mar 14, 2019 19:41:14 GMT
Sutton fans are quite remarkable and are amazingly positive they really do deserve fantastic fortunes in the future. I'm getting more of an understanding of where they have came from what they have achieved etc fact they've been here for one year and done remarkably well all of this etc. But and I'm sure the club realises this, is that they are onto something, there not as bad or as lucky as they think they are just to be competing in this league and I'm sure they are working to keep improving my god the start of the season we was phenomenal. Equally there as dissapointed when it doesn't materialise. The attitude of we are just happy to be here and make up the numbers is a dangerous motion to flirt with I believe and please don't shoot me but there's a slight musk of that smell lingering from the club.... at all levels. Like I said done fantastically well but there's no point putting a ceiling on your success as well that's not what competitive sport or life is about.
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Post by baggiesansutton on Mar 14, 2019 19:45:13 GMT
They also need the small matter of significant funding too lol.
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Post by pinewalker on Mar 15, 2019 0:33:44 GMT
As anyone who has tried football management will tell you, and even those who just watch the plans of managers closely - it is frustrating how new players obtained to improve the attack are nowhere near as likely to be a good fit as those obtained for the defence.
There is a shortage of good attackers, so any that you do get are at risk of being poached to play higher up the pyramid. If you do not have the money to pay higher league wages, and Sutton like the majority of teams do not, then the attackers you get are likely to have a flaw. It could be anything: injury-prone, poor at shooting, slow, light-weight etc. Some things you might spot before you get them, but the blind guess is whether they will form a good understanding with the players you have. This you cannot find out until you try.
The hope is to get two or three players who bond well and play for each other so that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. This cannot be trained into players. As international managers know - their player's good club form may result from his bond with one or two others of different nationality and there is no guarantee the national squad can provide the same support.
I have no criticism of U's management. They have done the right thing and rung the changes to the forwards and midfield quite quickly when performance has been below expectations. But getting the blend right does require more luck than judgement. Fingers crossed.
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Post by amberinexile on Mar 15, 2019 9:58:40 GMT
Good points, Pinewalker.
Sutton fans will despair, but take a closer look at Eastleigh and you will see the whole is very much greater than the sum of the parts.
A terrific team spirit has seen players like Zebroski eclipsing a troubled past, and Jones, a struggler at Woking last season, has come into his own.
Not one of the squad are what you might call world beaters, but their bonding has taken them to sixth in the table.
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