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Post by localboy86 on Mar 15, 2019 12:23:56 GMT
Sad news this morning..
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Post by Andy K on Mar 15, 2019 13:11:27 GMT
If their records are expunged, then it would affect the top of the table - before and after points below
Farsley Celtic on 74(68), Warrington on 72(66) and South Shields on 70(67). South Shields will go up a place by virtue of being one of the only two teams Ferriby have beaten this year (along with Grantham)
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Post by mitcham_badlander on Mar 15, 2019 22:52:09 GMT
Sad that, I enjoyed our trip up there in late 2016. Pretty village backdrop, a cheap £12 (?) entrance fee and £1 for a cup of tea, lumpy turf probably once part of the adjoining allotments and proper bracing Yorkshire weather for the time of year. We played our worst first half of football up to that point of the season; and the second half highlight was Max Biamou breaking through and slotting one in with 15 minutes left to play - I remember leaping about with at least something to celebrate despite my toes feeling like they had frostbite and yelling: "ALLEZ MAXIME, ALLEZ!!" at him - to no avail of course, we lost like most of our other away games that season. They were nonetheless relegated having been bottom of the table for most of the season, as may be Braintree's fate this time around. RIP NFU
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Post by baboonfish on Mar 16, 2019 2:26:22 GMT
Boo hoo.Fly too close to the sun and that is what happens. Ask their fans whether a season way out if their depth in the national was worth their club's existence? probably not and a timely reminder to anyone who thinks Sutton is underperforming by holding its own in this league. Ask daggers fans if the heights of a season in League one was worthwhile? Same will happen to likes of solihull or boreham wood if they go up to a level way beyond their fanbase.
In my inconsequential opinion part of league eligibility should go beyond capacity, number of seats etc and into basic sustainability, which mostly comes down to support. However good your stadium is, if you can't sell 1000 season tickets you shouldn't be eligible for football league, likewise 500 for conference national, or defacto league 3 as it now is. Below national no such requirement is necessary at present.
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Post by medwaysider on Mar 16, 2019 7:03:39 GMT
Boo hoo.Fly too close to the sun and that is what happens. Ask their fans whether a season way out if their depth in the national was worth their club's existence? probably not and a timely reminder to anyone who thinks Sutton is underperforming by holding its own in this league. Ask daggers fans if the heights of a season in League one was worthwhile? Same will happen to likes of solihull or boreham wood if they go up to a level way beyond their fanbase. In my inconsequential opinion part of league eligibility should go beyond capacity, number of seats etc and into basic sustainability, which mostly comes down to support. However good your stadium is, if you can't sell 1000 season tickets you shouldn't be eligible for football league, likewise 500 for conference national, or defacto league 3 as it now is. Below national no such requirement is necessary at present. The sustainability argument is an interesting one but then, look at Accrington and Morecambe; both been FL sides for around a decade now, both have had average crowds of below 2,000 for most of that time (and in Morecambe's case, have had a couple of sub 1000 crowds). How do they fit into your argument? Also, would such a scheme effectively be a way for FL clubs to close ranks and adopt the same protectionist mentality they had for years under the re-election system? |
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Post by baggiesansutton on Mar 16, 2019 7:14:16 GMT
Boo hoo.Fly too close to the sun and that is what happens. Ask their fans whether a season way out if their depth in the national was worth their club's existence? probably not and a timely reminder to anyone who thinks Sutton is underperforming by holding its own in this league. Ask daggers fans if the heights of a season in League one was worthwhile? Same will happen to likes of solihull or boreham wood if they go up to a level way beyond their fanbase. In my inconsequential opinion part of league eligibility should go beyond capacity, number of seats etc and into basic sustainability, which mostly comes down to support. However good your stadium is, if you can't sell 1000 season tickets you shouldn't be eligible for football league, likewise 500 for conference national, or defacto league 3 as it now is. Below national no such requirement is necessary at present. The sustainability argument is an interesting one but then, look at Accrington and Morecambe; both been FL sides for around a decade now, both have had average crowds of below 2,000 for most of that time (and in Morecambe's case, have had a couple of sub 1000 crowds). How do they fit into your argument? Also, would such a scheme effectively be a way for FL clubs to close ranks and adopt the same protectionist mentality they had for years under the re-election system? Every clubs different and all his argument would do is put a ceiling on clubs like ours from ever getting above the national league,then watch the crowds drop lol there's been some terrible owners that have ruined football clubs but then you also find a club with a cracking manager and good set of players who take people by storm respectfully not to mention a wise chairman, it can be done. Stories like this are a shame and I'd rather the league or the FA targeted owners like this who have ruined a football club as there's plenty out there. |
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Post by baboonfish on Mar 16, 2019 12:00:21 GMT
Under my suggestion we would be eligible seeing as we sell in excess of 1000 season tickets. I wouldn't want to block clubs from progressing, but find ways to help clubs expand their fanbase. League 2 season ticket sales in 2016 were 59k across 24 clubs so 2458 average. I expect the bottom selling clubs couldn't have been too far off 1k and would make it with a push.
I'm not sure what the NL average is but I'm sure even the likes of boreham wood Braintree and solihull could manage to sell 500 season tickets if they made an effort to engage the local community the way our club did.
If those admittedly arbitrary levels couldn't be gotten close to with community engagement, school partnerships, price incentives etc then it's my opinion a club is totally unsustainable at NL / FL2 levels and is asking for trouble.
Just a suggestion and obviously very unlikely to ever happen, so we will keep watching Icarus clubs flounder and crash when they inevitably get too far out of their depth without building a sustainable base (just like we are building). The likes of morecambe and accrington are the exception not the rule, and small, well run clubs such as those should be praised and set as an example to the canvey islands, grays and bilaricays (nothing against Essex!!) of this world.
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Post by mca on Mar 16, 2019 13:36:49 GMT
Boo hoo.Fly too close to the sun and that is what happens. Ask their fans whether a season way out if their depth in the national was worth their club's existence? probably not and a timely reminder to anyone who thinks Sutton is underperforming by holding its own in this league. Ask daggers fans if the heights of a season in League one was worthwhile? Same will happen to likes of solihull or boreham wood if they go up to a level way beyond their fanbase. In my inconsequential opinion part of league eligibility should go beyond capacity, number of seats etc and into basic sustainability, which mostly comes down to support. However good your stadium is, if you can't sell 1000 season tickets you shouldn't be eligible for football league, likewise 500 for conference national, or defacto league 3 as it now is. Below national no such requirement is necessary at present. well I for 1 wouldn't have missed Wimbledons FA cup final day for anything. I got a ticket because they couldn't shift them in a million years and my brother as a ST holder could fill his boots. Having terrible , over excited owners is 1 thing, but putting a ceiling on a football club because of fan base, or perceived size is completely anti-sport in my opinion. |
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Post by Andy K on Mar 16, 2019 14:14:43 GMT
For all the talk of unsustainable spending etc, its amazing that they ceased to be a club due to a debt of just 7.5k
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Post by timall on Mar 16, 2019 18:23:28 GMT
For all the talk of unsustainable spending etc, its amazing that they ceased to be a club due to a debt of just 7.5k That appears to be just the debt outstanding to one counterparty which lead to the winding up order. I doubt that was their only outstanding obligation. |
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Post by baboonfish on Mar 17, 2019 12:15:27 GMT
Boo hoo.Fly too close to the sun and that is what happens. Ask their fans whether a season way out if their depth in the national was worth their club's existence? probably not and a timely reminder to anyone who thinks Sutton is underperforming by holding its own in this league. Ask daggers fans if the heights of a season in League one was worthwhile? Same will happen to likes of solihull or boreham wood if they go up to a level way beyond their fanbase. In my inconsequential opinion part of league eligibility should go beyond capacity, number of seats etc and into basic sustainability, which mostly comes down to support. However good your stadium is, if you can't sell 1000 season tickets you shouldn't be eligible for football league, likewise 500 for conference national, or defacto league 3 as it now is. Below national no such requirement is necessary at present. well I for 1 wouldn't have missed Wimbledons FA cup final day for anything. I got a ticket because they couldn't shift them in a million years and my brother as a ST holder could fill his boots. Having terrible , over excited owners is 1 thing, but putting a ceiling on a football club because of fan base, or perceived size is completely anti-sport in my opinion. Wimbledon was a wonderful fairy tale but it was in a completely different era. Such a thing will never happen in modern football. Look at the size of teams in the championship and upper L1. Occasionally a yeovil might, thanks to exceptional team spirit, management etc break into the championship for a few seasons but for a small club to make it into the premier requires massive funding. You might want to suggest Bournemouths story is similar but it isn't, they were very well funded. www.cityam.com/214581/how-bournemouths-promotion-push-was-funded-russian-millionaireClubs making their way through the upper reaches of non league and potentially into league football need to build a solid fanbase and infrastructure, or have someone pump in a load of cash. Usually this latter route ends in tears as the benefactor gets bored and moves on. If the money dries up and the club is competing at a level beyond their means they will at best drop back down to their natural level, at worst go out of existence. I'm not party to how ferriby rose to the national with such minimal fanbase and infrastructure but it's invariably killed their club, and other clubs with lofty ambitions should take note. The FA and football league needs to do more to ensure clubs are capable of competing at the level they are getting to. Ground grading is not enough. There should be some kind of infrastructure grading too. Community programs,fan days, season ticket incentives etc, basically everything we have done should be a model for small clubs to make their way to a good level of football and a sustainable future. 700 fans in league 2 or 300 fans in conference is not a sustainable base. |
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Post by markf on Mar 17, 2019 12:54:48 GMT
Jesus. The FA can't even sort VAR out for all four venues for the FA Cup q-f's. To expect them to police that list in your last para above is fanciful.
The reason that NFU went under appears to be the intransigence of their last owners who, having not got their way over a name change and move of location pulled the plug and refused to pay the 7.5k owed. They were not responsible for their rise up The Pyramid and FA Trophy success, that was someone else.
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Post by medwaysider on Mar 18, 2019 20:05:23 GMT
I thoroughly enjoyed my trip to North Ferriby, obviously aside the result and that drunken idiot from Plymouth and his mates.
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