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Post by davethegrave on Apr 1, 2019 20:39:50 GMT
I really am getting sick and tired of the group of "supporters" who regularly stand behind me and consistently slag off the team.
I know that there were a lot of things going wrong on Saturday but they really need encouraging, not criticising all the time.
I confronted one of the culprits after the game, one who incidentally I had confronted about 8 or 9 years ago for the same reason. He criticised me for just slagging off the referee. The official on Saturday though deserved criticising. If he'd been doing his job properly then it might have been a different story.
Just get behind the team.
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Post by johnnykwango on Apr 1, 2019 20:54:33 GMT
Far too much negativity where I stand too. The brothers dim who stand nearby had to choose a new target after Josh went on loan, I reckon they’ve been slagged off the entire squad over the last month.
Mind you on the other side of me I’ve got Captain Positive, he only considered winning impossible when we were 3-0 down against Braintree and only a minute left of added time.
I guess I stand in a good spot..!
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Post by markf on Apr 1, 2019 21:05:08 GMT
I really am getting sick and tired of the group of "supporters" who regularly stand behind me and consistently slag off the team. I know that there were a lot of things going wrong on Saturday but they really need encouraging, not criticising all the time. I confronted one of the culprits after the game, one who incidentally I had confronted about 8 or 9 years ago for the same reason. He criticised me for just slagging off the referee. The official on Saturday though deserved criticising. If he'd been doing his job properly then it might have been a different story. Just get behind the team. The cardboard cut outs as they were labelled some years ago. Would rather attempt to destroy the potential of a young player or indeed any player than see a poor maligned official get it in the neck. Someone should point out to them that they are meant to be SUFC supporters and also that the ref doesn't actually represent our club. Their logic defies, well, logic. Still, they're paying £6 a match so... |
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Post by Andy K on Apr 2, 2019 9:10:02 GMT
Luckily enough where I stand I don't hear too much of that, but pretty aware that it goes on, and over spills onto social media too.
In my 30+ years of supporting Sutton, I've heard supporters decide (in some cases very quickly) whether a player is good enough for the squad or not. Well documented in the past was the sometimes personal attack on Matt Hanlan but even a club legend like Mckinnon wasn't immune near the tail end of his career.
In more modern times we hear it time and time again. This season's favourites have been Drinan and currently are Toure and Williams. My word even last year how much abuse did Aswad get for the entire season? Others in recent history that have been the reason for all our problems included Stuart Fleetwood, Ricky Wellard etc. Whether or not they were good (which I expect they all were) constant berating won't make the player any better so I just don't understand the reason for it and what outcome they hope to achieve, especially now where we're passed the the transfer deadline and can't get anyone else in, even if we wanted to.
Totally understand Davethegrave's frustration. To me it just makes no sense at all.
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Post by sallycat on Apr 2, 2019 9:13:17 GMT
Dave, I think you're absolutely right to be fed up of this sort of nonsense. It makes no sense to claim to "support" a team while, in practice, doing the exact opposite. We don't need that and nor do the players, and we have seen first hand how it can affect them. They're human beings, no matter how professionally they behave, and human beings are complex and can't always control how things affect us. And good on you for confronting that fella. The only problem was that he was able to point out you were doing the same thing, just to someone else. That probably gave your argument a bit less clout. I'm not going to start the whole "don't abuse officials" debate because we all know how that will go, but consider your own words: The official on Saturday though deserved criticising. If he'd been doing his job properly then it might have been a different story. Don't you think some of the moany gits might apply the exact same sentiment to the players? Not that I think they're right to, but one could argue that if excessive criticism can harm the performance of players who are already doing less than perfectly, would you really want to make a bad ref have an even worse game?! It's so frustrating and annoying to watch a ref who should know better at this level cock up decision after decision but you might try channelling your rage and frustration into an extra loud COME ON SUTTON or something, then the moaners would have nothing to say back to you! Just a thought, feel free to ignore me  |
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Post by Del on Apr 2, 2019 15:52:31 GMT
I'm surprised to hear that people have been having a go at Toure. I think he is an excellent young player who is prepared to run at defenders. Maybe there is a bit of a language barrier at present but he could go on to be another Max Biamou.
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Post by Andy K on Apr 2, 2019 18:02:39 GMT
I'm surprised to hear that people have been having a go at Toure. I think he is an excellent young player who is prepared to run at defenders. Maybe there is a bit of a language barrier at present but he could go on to be another Max Biamou. Some people are saying he's the worst player they've ever seen play for Sutton. I expect they've watched 5mins of one game |
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Post by Del on Apr 2, 2019 20:13:48 GMT
I'm surprised to hear that people have been having a go at Toure. I think he is an excellent young player who is prepared to run at defenders. Maybe there is a bit of a language barrier at present but he could go on to be another Max Biamou. Some people are saying he's the worst player they've ever seen play for Sutton. I expect they've watched 5mins of one game Bet they didn't say that when he scored the winner against Ebbsfleet ! He is a player with pace and raw talent. Just the sort we can convert into a top player. |
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Post by davethegrave on Apr 2, 2019 22:30:29 GMT
I do rate Toure and we have many good players. The problem usually is the chosen formation and tactics. The players I know are trying their best. The tactics don't seem to make sense at times.
I know Sally what you're saying about criticising the referee but sometimes you have to try and educate the officials. Why for instance do they ignore foul throws? Why do they not caution players for persistent infringement? Why do they not make consistent decisions such as giving a hand ball and yellow card to Aswad but ignore it when a Havant player does the same thing?
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Post by os on Apr 2, 2019 22:42:03 GMT
I got to say that of all my years at football, I don't think I have ever heckled my own team, and I have seen some crap as well. I just can't see the point of blaming your own team, I would much rather blame the officials and opposition players, because its always their fault  |
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Post by sallycat on Apr 3, 2019 6:23:26 GMT
I do rate Toure and we have many good players. The problem usually is the chosen formation and tactics. The players I know are trying their best. The tactics don't seem to make sense at times. I know Sally what you're saying about criticising the referee but sometimes you have to try and educate the officials. Why for instance do they ignore foul throws? Why do they not caution players for persistent infringement? Why do they not make consistent decisions such as giving a hand ball and yellow card to Aswad but ignore it when a Havant player does the same thing? Those are good questions, but I would question your assertion that "you have to try and educate the officials." Why? Has it ever worked? |
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Post by tonyd on Apr 3, 2019 14:52:20 GMT
Incredibly, I’m with davethegrave here! There’s a first time for everything I suppose. Shouting abuse at players can only make their performance worse. I feel a strong connection with this club and anyone who does things that damages it is going to upset me. So keep confronting these fools.
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Post by Del on Apr 3, 2019 17:11:54 GMT
I remember in the 60's when the team was playing badly or the match was boring spectators used to give them a slow hand clap to show their displeasure.
I'm not just referring to matches at Sutton. This was a common practice.
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Post by davethegrave on Apr 3, 2019 17:12:45 GMT
Incredibly, I’m with davethegrave here! There’s a first time for everything I suppose. Shouting abuse at players can only make their performance worse. I feel a strong connection with this club and anyone who does things that damages it is going to upset me. So keep confronting these fools. So if we confront them who will the stewards side with? |
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Post by sallycat on Apr 3, 2019 20:06:55 GMT
You can make an impact while remaining civil, and then the stewards won't need to get involved.
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