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Post by fleetfan on Apr 6, 2016 18:54:11 GMT
Naughty, naughty. Breaking the rules means a points deduction, just ask Nuneaton Town?
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Post by os on Apr 6, 2016 19:02:24 GMT
Naughty, naughty. Breaking the rules means a points deduction, just ask Nuneaton Town? Do me a favour get your mates on here too, the more taunts the merrier as far as I am concerned. Please do keep it coming, your assistance in pushing us on to win this title will be invaluable!!!
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Apr 6, 2016 19:44:47 GMT
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Post by garethl on Apr 6, 2016 19:44:47 GMT
Naughty, naughty. Breaking the rules means a points deduction, just ask Nuneaton Town? For every Nuneaton there's another case where there is a less severe punishment. It will depend on the facts of the case. For a start Nuneaton admitted the charge did they not? Time will tell. Of course win all our games and it doesn't matter. I have a feeling we'll need them though!
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Post by fleetadm on Apr 6, 2016 20:38:20 GMT
The Gravesend fans are having a field day and judged us as guilty already even though we're contesting the charge and they have copied the club's statement onto their forum. They just seem to ignore what we're saying. No change there then! No change where? When have we ignored "what you're saying" before? I think if you actually look on our forum, most people are simply saying that if the charge is "ineligible" in Conference terms that is more often than not a points deduction and there is plenty of precedent for it, right or wrong. Darlington and Kendal aren't Conference clubs and so are governed by a perhaps more lenient and logical outfit than the Conference. I am not saying it's right. I don't for one moment think the "advantage" of you playing Slabber for 20 minutes in any way gained you an unfair three points. I don't think a points deduction for such player ineligibility is in any way correct or adequate 'punishment'. But *if* those are the rules and *if* there is a precedent, you can't really blame rival fans for expressing an interest! I think the proof of the pudding will be in what kind of ineligibility the charge is about. If as you say all the paperwork was presented correctly and the fault lay with the league/FA, then you may not be penalised at all. I had a quick Google and I can't find any precedent of the Conference overturning an ineligibility case but who knows, most of us are guessing here as we don't know the exact rulings applied.
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Post by amberdog on Apr 6, 2016 20:45:59 GMT
It's 3 points if admitted 6 to 12 points if denied but then found to be true.
kentonline.co.uk/gravesend/sport/twist-in-the-title-race-93818/ …
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Apr 6, 2016 20:57:38 GMT
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Post by sallycat on Apr 6, 2016 20:57:38 GMT
Well that throws a different light on it, since it means we'll lose at least 6 points if any are deducted! I have faith in our club though. We wouldn't deny the charge if there were any reasonable doubt about us not being at fault.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Apr 6, 2016 21:30:34 GMT
Here's the relevant rule. No mention of the points deduction being increased if the charge is denied.
6.9 Playing an Ineligible Player Any Club found to have played an ineligible player in a match or matches shall have any points gained from that match or matches deducted from its record up to a maximum of 12 points and have levied upon it a fine. The Board may also order that such match or matches be replayed on such terms as are decided by the Board which may also levy penalty points against the Club in default. The Company may vary this decision in respect of the points gained only in circumstances where the ineligibility is due to the failure to obtain an International Transfer Certificate or where the ineligibility is related to the Player’s status only.
If Jamie Slabber's ineligibility was related only to his "status" (i.e. as a loan player) then the "Company" (i.e the league) has apparently got discretion not to apply the three-point deduction.
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Post by johnnie1 on Apr 6, 2016 21:53:08 GMT
Let's hope common sense prevails so the title is decided on the pitch, not the offices of the National League
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Post by baboonfish on Apr 6, 2016 22:37:07 GMT
You can tell how much Ebbsfleet fans feel about their likelihood of finishing above us at the end of the season, without any deduction, by their excitement over this issue can't you?!
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Apr 7, 2016 6:51:37 GMT
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Post by sallycat on Apr 7, 2016 6:51:37 GMT
Here's the relevant rule. No mention of the points deduction being increased if the charge is denied. 6.9 Playing an Ineligible Player Any Club found to have played an ineligible player in a match or matches shall have any points gained from that match or matches deducted from its record up to a maximum of 12 points and have levied upon it a fine. The Board may also order that such match or matches be replayed on such terms as are decided by the Board which may also levy penalty points against the Club in default. The Company may vary this decision in respect of the points gained only in circumstances where the ineligibility is due to the failure to obtain an International Transfer Certificate or where the ineligibility is related to the Player’s status only.
If Jamie Slabber's ineligibility was related only to his "status" (i.e. as a loan player) then the "Company" (i.e the league) has apparently got discretion not to apply the three-point deduction. I think amberdog was referring to precedent, not that it seems to count for much in this league! I don't think we need to worry too much, anyway. Our people know what they are doing
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Post by unrcgnzdgenius on Apr 7, 2016 7:57:44 GMT
If you read our forum you will see that while some supporters are excited at the potential gift of 3 points, most of us are pretty philosophical about it. Apologies for the "Naughty, naughty" wind up post from one of my fellow "fans."
I would much rather win the league without any deduction applied to you. Below is a quote from someone else on our forum which I think pretty much sums up the feeling of most of us:
"I am more concerned about winning three games first, then goal difference, then what Sutton have done on the field.
If Sutton win the league despite all of the advantages that we had then they deserve it, if we were fortunate enough to sneak in the back door because of someone else's bureaucratic error that would not in anyway paper over our deficiencies in the second half of the season.
Hopefully we win our three matches and win the league properly and Sutton win the play offs."
Really looking forward to visiting you on the 16th. May the best team win - in all respects.
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Post by sallycat on Apr 7, 2016 8:13:13 GMT
Thank you
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Post by fleetphil on Apr 7, 2016 8:46:34 GMT
Naughty, naughty. Breaking the rules means a points deduction, just ask Nuneaton Town? Do me a favour get your mates on here too, the more taunts the merrier as far as I am concerned. Please do keep it coming, your assistance in pushing us on to win this title will be invaluable!!! Your wish is my command, here I am. Look no one wants to win this league by default, we will beat you fair and square, we don't need any help, you will drop points, Christmas has finished at Margate.!!!!!!! Also, don't tell me that if was the other way round your posters wouldn't be doing the same. (not that there are many of you)Fans forums are all the same, we all like to take the p--s. We all like a good wind up, just banter, lighten up. Its football, not life or death, now wait a minute...................................................................................................
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Post by dannyboy1807 on Apr 7, 2016 9:04:40 GMT
I for one am pleased I like a good drama.
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Post by Suttontilidie on Apr 7, 2016 9:20:57 GMT
I for one am pleased I like a good drama. Why isn't there a dislike button?
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