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Post by davethegrave on Jul 1, 2019 21:29:31 GMT
I remember when I refereed a woman's game and a full back appealed for a free kick.
"Oi ref. She grabbed my knickers!"
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Post by trev on Jul 1, 2019 22:27:09 GMT
Yes, I know. You shared exactly the same anecdote on 30 October 2017.  |
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Post by VCLXI on Jul 2, 2019 2:41:15 GMT
And it wasn't funny then either.
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Post by davethegrave on Jul 2, 2019 21:15:07 GMT
Strange memories some people have!
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Post by trev on Jul 2, 2019 21:26:22 GMT
Some of us pay attention to what you have to say, Dave. You should be flattered.
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Post by VCLXI on Jul 2, 2019 21:26:37 GMT
Not quite a memory. I believe that you can search posters histories  |
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Post by sallycat on Jul 3, 2019 17:28:04 GMT
Interesting discussion.
OS, I agree with your point that true equality is about making adaptations to make things inclusive rather than forcing people to adapt themselves in order to fit in.
Having said that, I would add that an even more important element of being inclusive, before you even think about what adaptations to make, is to ask the people you want to include about what they want to change, if anything. It should be the players (and managers) driving any changes based on what works for them, otherwise you're not being inclusive at all. (I'm not saying you are suggesting otherwise but i feel the point should be made.) Although in this case, there is the argument that it would ultimately benefit the players if matches were more entertaining and therefore drew in more money, so it takes some consideration of both sides really.
There's an interesting point in the article you linked.
I'm wondering how she would explain, then, why everyone seems to agree that the standard of goalkeeping has rapidly risen in recent years. Goals haven't got smaller. Women haven't got bigger. Maybe taller women are becoming goalkeepers? Does anyone know if that's the case?
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Post by mca on Jul 3, 2019 17:50:52 GMT
Interesting discussion. OS, I agree with your point that true equality is about making adaptations to make things inclusive rather than forcing people to adapt themselves in order to fit in. Having said that, I would add that an even more important element of being inclusive, before you even think about what adaptations to make, is to ask the people you want to include about what they want to change, if anything. It should be the players (and managers) driving any changes based on what works for them, otherwise you're not being inclusive at all. (I'm not saying you are suggesting otherwise but i feel the point should be made.) Although in this case, there is the argument that it would ultimately benefit the players if matches were more entertaining and therefore drew in more money, so it takes some consideration of both sides really. There's an interesting point in the article you linked. I'm wondering how she would explain, then, why everyone seems to agree that the standard of goalkeeping has rapidly risen in recent years. Goals haven't got smaller. Women haven't got bigger. Maybe taller women are becoming goalkeepers? Does anyone know if that's the case? Never hav3 disagreed with anything you've said but I will now. I don't think this is an interesting conversation. Like most men talking about women's football, it's conducted through the prism of comparing it to the elite mens game. Haha, look at that rubbish corner, aren't the goalies useless etc etc. Apart from anything else, women's sport is alot younger and massively less funded. There's is no comparison. It's women's football and can only be enjoyed when watching it as a sport in its own right. This world cup has been great. Entertaining, fun, exciting. In my opinion it's patronising to suggest they should have smaller pitches, smaller goals, play for less minutes. Like you say Sally, it's for the folk who run the game to decide, not guys passing judgement. I'm sure women administrators are Just as capable of making terrible decisions and messing with the game as men are. |
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Post by os on Jul 3, 2019 19:32:59 GMT
Interesting discussion. OS, I agree with your point that true equality is about making adaptations to make things inclusive rather than forcing people to adapt themselves in order to fit in. Having said that, I would add that an even more important element of being inclusive, before you even think about what adaptations to make, is to ask the people you want to include about what they want to change, if anything. It should be the players (and managers) driving any changes based on what works for them, otherwise you're not being inclusive at all. (I'm not saying you are suggesting otherwise but i feel the point should be made.) Although in this case, there is the argument that it would ultimately benefit the players if matches were more entertaining and therefore drew in more money, so it takes some consideration of both sides really. There's an interesting point in the article you linked. I'm wondering how she would explain, then, why everyone seems to agree that the standard of goalkeeping has rapidly risen in recent years. Goals haven't got smaller. Women haven't got bigger. Maybe taller women are becoming goalkeepers? Does anyone know if that's the case? Never hav3 disagreed with anything you've said but I will now. I don't think this is an interesting conversation. Like most men talking about women's football, it's conducted through the prism of comparing it to the elite mens game. Haha, look at that rubbish corner, aren't the goalies useless etc etc. Apart from anything else, women's sport is alot younger and massively less funded. There's is no comparison. It's women's football and can only be enjoyed when watching it as a sport in its own right. This world cup has been great. Entertaining, fun, exciting. In my opinion it's patronising to suggest they should have smaller pitches, smaller goals, play for less minutes. Like you say Sally, it's for the folk who run the game to decide, not guys passing judgement. I'm sure women administrators are Just as capable of making terrible decisions and messing with the game as men are. I don't think its patronising at all, from what I can see its a debate coming from within the women's game as well, so its not simple blokes going ha ha they should have a smaller pitch etc. Like most sports the game was developed by men for men without a thought for women, so to suggest adjustments now is not in anyway patronising. Men might find the game entertaining with more space on the pitch, less pace, more goals etc, but I am sure those in the women's game want to improve upon all these things, and there is no doubt in my mind the pitch size hinders that. I don't want to see a women's game simply develop for 6ft tall females. |
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Post by garethl on Jul 3, 2019 19:36:29 GMT
Would rather men’s pitches were made bigger than women’s smaller.
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Post by mca on Jul 3, 2019 20:01:47 GMT
[quote timestamp="1562176252" and there is no doubt in my mind the pitch size hinders that. I don't want to see a women's game simply develop for 6ft tall females. says a man. Why on earth would that happen. You've proved my point. Men giving little women advice on how to do things, because they probably shouldn't have a big boys pitch. Women athletes, on the whole are slower than men, so the game is played at a slower pace. So What? And goals are a bad thing?? |
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Post by sallycat on Jul 3, 2019 20:21:08 GMT
The proof of the pudding is in the eating, isn't it? And women's football matches are not all ending up with scores like 10-9. The fact that we're not seeing wildly differing scorelines between the men's and women's games suggests that we don't need goals to be smaller. Unless we want to see a lot of 0-0 draws, of course. Right, Billy? |
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Post by sallycat on Jul 3, 2019 20:26:22 GMT
Never hav3 disagreed with anything you've said but I will now. I don't think this is an interesting conversation. I was being polite |
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Post by VCLXI on Jul 3, 2019 22:08:17 GMT
The thing is, to add to this pretty pointless debate, (in my opinion anyway) is that after watching an extremely entertaining World Cup, is that the woman's game ain't broke. So why try to fix it?
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Post by os on Jul 3, 2019 22:15:25 GMT
[quote timestamp="1562176252" and there is no doubt in my mind the pitch size hinders that. I don't want to see a women's game simply develop for 6ft tall females. says a man. Why on earth would that happen. You've proved my point. Men giving little women advice on how to do things, because they probably shouldn't have a big boys pitch. Women athletes, on the whole are slower than men, so the game is played at a slower pace. So What? And goals are a bad thing?? Absolute rubbish, firstly I was not simply using my opinion but have quoted women in the game, and I also stressed that men set the size of most playing areas. You are suggesting I am being sexist, yet I could be further away from that. And yes you could equally argue that making the men's pitch bigger would also provide a balance. |
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