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Post by scorpioeyes on Nov 24, 2019 10:53:24 GMT
This is how to do a post-match interview...........................https://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/2019/november/ardley-post-aldershot-231119/
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Post by Andy K on Nov 24, 2019 11:10:08 GMT
Like many I have watched football a long time, your senses tend to send your brain messages. Even before we get to the football on the pitch, the club feels flat, the fans seem flat, no atmosphere for a Derby against Bromley with any noise coming from the away side. At the moment everything about our club has relegation stamped all over it, we have no club leaders. You need ability, a touch of luck which we didn't get today, but above all you need belief, I didn't feel we had that from going 1 down and the Bromley 2nd looked inevitable despite them being probably the worst Bromley side I have seen in years (Or maybe they didn't need to get out of 2nd gear?). On the pitch we failed to test the Bromley keeper all afternoon, the away defence was comfortable against our disjointed and individualistic attack.At no time did our forward play show any cohesion, with the ball just slung or hit into the box more in hope then to another U's player. Yes JC got caught in possession but why was that? I guess no one to pass too. On the 1st goal 3 opportunities in a row to put the ball in the net other than 2 fine saves no U's player gets any touch. Today was one of the poorest responses I have seen from a U's side after going 1-0 down and that sense of inevitability appears to stretch throughout the club. I don't mind getting relegated if 110% effort goes in from top to bottom, but it feels more like 50-60%. We still have time to turn it around, but waiting for it to happen and blaming our luck will only see us relegated. I have to take issue with your first paragraph. You've also been watching football (and Sutton) long enough to know when a team doesn't do well, crowd goes down as the more fickle supporters don't turn up. I remember a season a few years back where a similar thing happened. This was under Dos where he was going on week in week out that the fans were not doing their job (plus people coming on here that we were in a "relegation battle" in November). The bottom line is that with our management team in terms of experience and our budget issues, I said to Carl yesterday that if we stay up by 1 point at the end of the season that could potentially be more of an achievement than finishing 3rd 2 season ago. I don't agree about the noise from both clubs. Maybe it's just your expectation about hearing "we hate Bromley" every 2 minutes. I really think not hearing that is any loss at all. Bromley maybe local but currently they're no rivals to us by 20 odd points at the moment. My opinion on yesterday was overall we were not unlucky. We didn't concede 2 goals due to luck. We didn't not score due to bad luck. The ref didnt affect the final result (although I thought we had a nailed on pen early in the first half when one of our players were pushed over 2 handed in the box). It wasn't bad luck that yet again at home we played 4-5-1. Compared to last week I thought our defence reverted back to type after a confident performance last week and we didnt control the midfield as much either. And the same old players score against us. It is what it is. Now I await someone to pipe up on here saying "sack the manager" whilst not understanding why we won't. Or can't. |
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Post by Andy K on Nov 24, 2019 11:13:38 GMT
This is how to do a post-match interview...........................https://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/2019/november/ardley-post-aldershot-231119/ By who? The interviewer or the manager? |
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Post by garethl on Nov 24, 2019 11:51:31 GMT
Not suggesting that it’s the right course of action but can’t agree we wouldn’t be able to get rid of the manager if we wanted to.
OS - to blame JC letting a ball slip under his foot for the 2nd goal on not having someone to pass to is one of the most laughable comments I’ve ever read.
Not that it matters much but Bromley bringing less than 300 to a local derby whilst being in contention at the top to me is pretty disappointing. Not exactly the most vocal away support we’ve had either, barely audible.
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Post by Del on Nov 24, 2019 11:51:59 GMT
Of course the board can get rid of the manager but it would be ridiculous to do so at present.
The team are playing as well as they have done all season and are a match for any team in this division. Losing at home to the top 2-0 is no disgrace and could well have been different.
No point in judging the manager on earlier performances as he didn't have a fully fit team and a goalkeeper making basic errors. I'm sure results will turn for us over the next few weeks and we will move up the table.
When we came up into the National league our expectations were a lot less and we have been spoilt under Dos and now expect to beat all the top teams. WE NEED TO BE MORE REALISTIC !
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Post by Andy K on Nov 24, 2019 12:02:19 GMT
If the club had made the "wrong choice" of manager is now pretty irrelevant. Of course the club can get rid of the manager but as has been said here time and time again, they won't be able to without a significant impact on the playing budget. So in any real world situation we cant without the incoming one having arguably a harder job. If we had to release a player to pay for a loan player coming in that should tell you the gravity of the situation.
A couple of seasons before we lost to Bromley at home by a bigger margin when they were not doing as well as they are and we were doing better. But that of course was fine. Del is right. Even halfway few the season some have unrealistic expectations.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Nov 24, 2019 12:55:48 GMT
Having now seen 21 of the other 23 National League sides this season, including all of the current top six, I can't honestly say that any of them is head and shoulders above this Sutton team. The difference is that most other sides have been able to convert a decent percentage of their scoring opportunities into goals while we haven't. As Pinewalker pointed out, that in a nutshell is why Bromley are 2nd in the table and we're 22nd.
People around the club have been saying since September that the team has been playing good football and that the proverbial corner would soon be turned, but that doesn't seem to have happened yet. If things don't improve soon then we'll find ourselves cut adrift in the relegation zone. If that's our fate then so be it. I'll continue to support this club, but would like to see a bit more evidence that the obvious shortcoming is being addressed.
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Post by garethl on Nov 24, 2019 13:56:26 GMT
If the club had made the "wrong choice" of manager is now pretty irrelevant. Of course the club can get rid of the manager but as has been said here time and time again, they won't be able to without a significant impact on the playing budget. So in any real world situation we cant without the incoming one having arguably a harder job. If we had to release a player to pay for a loan player coming in that should tell you the gravity of the situation. I think given the manager is the current one if he is the ‘wrong choice’ there couldn’t be anything more relevant! Let’s hope time proves that he was in fact a good choice!! I’m not sure how you can know any of that until you go through the process. Manager’s leaving clubs can lead to anything from full pay out of contract to walking away without anything at all. Ways have been found to change managers in the past (and indeed contracted players though I accept slightly easier for them to line up a similar deal elsewhere) when our financial position wouldn’t have been much different (the message has always been that they are fairly tight). It’s not like we’re talking big money. Where it might not be relevant now is that I don’t see the club taking any action imminently. I would say if the last 2 months results are repeated over the next month we would have absolutely nothing to lose by changing things given we would be drifting away from safety. Getting back to this level would be a very very difficult task if we were to drop. |
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Post by pinewalker on Nov 24, 2019 18:30:50 GMT
A perceptive comment from Os about "our disjointed and individualistic attack". U's don't have a goal-machine so their attack needs to play to their strengths with teamwork.
MG at the start of the season said he wanted us to get the ball wide to wingers and then get crosses into the box. As far as I can tell from the games I have seen (and the match reports of those I missed) Sutton have scored just ONE headed goal in the VNL from a cross, and none from free kicks or corners. That was the season's first by Harry at Hartlepool. It does not matter what the cause is: whether the accuracy of the crosses and corners is abysmal or whether the target men are poor at getting a head to the ball and the attempt on target. What matters is that the current squad recognise the tactic is failing, cease trying it, and instead concentrate on going through the middle or when the ball is out wide crossing low not high.
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Post by os on Nov 24, 2019 21:50:26 GMT
Like many I have watched football a long time, your senses tend to send your brain messages. Even before we get to the football on the pitch, the club feels flat, the fans seem flat, no atmosphere for a Derby against Bromley with any noise coming from the away side. At the moment everything about our club has relegation stamped all over it, we have no club leaders. You need ability, a touch of luck which we didn't get today, but above all you need belief, I didn't feel we had that from going 1 down and the Bromley 2nd looked inevitable despite them being probably the worst Bromley side I have seen in years (Or maybe they didn't need to get out of 2nd gear?). On the pitch we failed to test the Bromley keeper all afternoon, the away defence was comfortable against our disjointed and individualistic attack.At no time did our forward play show any cohesion, with the ball just slung or hit into the box more in hope then to another U's player. Yes JC got caught in possession but why was that? I guess no one to pass too. On the 1st goal 3 opportunities in a row to put the ball in the net other than 2 fine saves no U's player gets any touch. Today was one of the poorest responses I have seen from a U's side after going 1-0 down and that sense of inevitability appears to stretch throughout the club. I don't mind getting relegated if 110% effort goes in from top to bottom, but it feels more like 50-60%. We still have time to turn it around, but waiting for it to happen and blaming our luck will only see us relegated. I have to take issue with your first paragraph. You've also been watching football (and Sutton) long enough to know when a team doesn't do well, crowd goes down as the more fickle supporters don't turn up. I remember a season a few years back where a similar thing happened. This was under Dos where he was going on week in week out that the fans were not doing their job (plus people coming on here that we were in a "relegation battle" in November). The bottom line is that with our management team in terms of experience and our budget issues, I said to Carl yesterday that if we stay up by 1 point at the end of the season that could potentially be more of an achievement than finishing 3rd 2 season ago. I don't agree about the noise from both clubs. Maybe it's just your expectation about hearing "we hate Bromley" every 2 minutes. I really think not hearing that is any loss at all. Bromley maybe local but currently they're no rivals to us by 20 odd points at the moment. My opinion on yesterday was overall we were not unlucky. We didn't concede 2 goals due to luck. We didn't not score due to bad luck. The ref didnt affect the final result (although I thought we had a nailed on pen early in the first half when one of our players were pushed over 2 handed in the box). It wasn't bad luck that yet again at home we played 4-5-1. Compared to last week I thought our defence reverted back to type after a confident performance last week and we didnt control the midfield as much either. And the same old players score against us. It is what it is. Now I await someone to pipe up on here saying "sack the manager" whilst not understanding why we won't. Or can't. Good to have sparked a little debate, some have raised a few slightly different views on my post. Firstly I would agree that this is something I feared at the start of the season, that wasn't me being negative but realistic. The fear wasn't so much the performances but the sense of doom and inevitability, the type of comment like, we don't belong in this league, punching above our weight, returning to our natural level etc. If you expect it, you don't really fight it as hard as you would if you truly believe you belong where you are. I didn't spend 10yrs+ working (as many others have) on the dream of getting to this level just to throw the towel in now. I genuinely don't think enough at our club feel the same way. and that many from top to bottom are just going through the motions of inevitable decline. As far as Matt is concerned, I am not asking for him to be sacked, but he is young manager who needs support, he is not Dos, its time for the higher echelons of the club to fill that mantle, not to just go back to the old order of things pre-Dos. Matt should not have to shoulder all of that responsibility, that is up to others who have had such an easy ride for the past decade. Matt is the manager of a National League club, and it is his duty young or not to keep us here. I am afraid the idea we are unlucky week after week and it ill turn, is poppycock, nothing changes unless you make it change. I have the dubious honor of supporting both Sutton and Arsenal, 1 win between them in 13 matches, but lots of excuses. In the end its simple both sides are producing performances below the sum of their parts. With us, we conceded almost unanimously from set pieces and throw in the odd defensive howler, and we can't score a worked goal for love nor money because our forwards are on different wavelengths. Hoping it ill change without intervention is nativity at best. I DON'T ACCEPT WE ARE GOING DOWN, BUT ALSO THAT NOTHING NEEDS TO CHANGE TO ENSURE THAT! |
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Post by markf on Nov 25, 2019 6:55:48 GMT
OS
Please note that the "punching above our weight" phrase and thus anything associated was first uttered by Dos probably in our first season in the NL. It was as true then as it is now so don't begin dropping that on those in charge this season.
Secondly please identify those you think had a "free ride" while Dos was here?
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Post by os on Nov 25, 2019 23:41:01 GMT
OS Please note that the "punching above our weight" phrase and thus anything associated was first uttered by Dos probably in our first season in the NL. It was as true then as it is now so don't begin dropping that on those in charge this season. Secondly please identify those you think had a "free ride" while Dos was here? Yes it was Dos that 1st made those comments, but I would say the answer is the same as I gave for the team performance on the pitch. 'If nothing changes then nothing changes' Its no secret that I along with others have been pushing for structural change/ revamp at the club for a number of years with the view that Dos would one day leave. As for the 'free ride' Dos hired the bus, sold the tickets, planned the route and drove the blooming thing. Please don't take that as criticism of the club, its just the reality of the situation. I am also not saying there is a magic wand to make us a sustainable National League club, but surely we should try? |
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Post by markf on Nov 26, 2019 7:20:42 GMT
By change of structure I assume you mean someone coming in and taking over? The last time I am aware anyone showed real interest was another PD. He ended up down the road and that went well, didn't it?
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Post by Big Al on Nov 26, 2019 7:36:30 GMT
So the performance wasn’t poor on Saturday and yes we didn’t really get the run of the green at key moments. The effort levels were good etc etc.
However I see this in simple terms. It is no accident that we are in the position we are in the league, it is not pure misfortune that we don’t win enough games or score enough goals.
Football, even at this level, is a results business and our results aren’t good enough. So far as I can see, neither the Board, the Manager or the coaching staff seem to have done anything at all to change that and, as the saying goes if you do what you always did you will get what you always got.
To claim we can’t afford to change management means we are simply accepting failure- I suspect very few people actually know what the Manager’s contract says about severance and I trust our Board will have built in necessary protection for the Club into Matt’s employment contract.
Time for a change...
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Post by Del on Nov 26, 2019 13:02:57 GMT
So the performance wasn’t poor on Saturday and yes we didn’t really get the run of the green at key moments. The effort levels were good etc etc. However I see this in simple terms. It is no accident that we are in the position we are in the league, it is not pure misfortune that we don’t win enough games or score enough goals. Football, even at this level, is a results business and our results aren’t good enough. So far as I can see, neither the Board, the Manager or the coaching staff seem to have done anything at all to change that and, as the saying goes if you do what you always did you will get what you always got. To claim we can’t afford to change management means we are simply accepting failure- I suspect very few people actually know what the Manager’s contract says about severance and I trust our Board will have built in necessary protection for the Club into Matt’s employment contract. Time for a change... Sorry to see you go but i don't believe you will enjoy the football at Carshalton half as much !  |
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