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Post by baboonfish on Dec 15, 2020 17:14:45 GMT
That is it now, once in Tier 3 there isn't really a way out, I understand the government is due to announce Feb 3rd Sunset to be extended to April. I honestly think the relaxation of restrictions UK wide has been disastrous, and has now pretty much blown the rest of the football season for fans, pub goers / theater goers etc (we may get a couple in in April / May). No I am not saying it was football fans, it is people that spread the virus and it is people keeping us stuck in this situation. 2 matches, tiny crowds, probably cost the clubs more than they made, ARGHHH! Where do you get the info that the Feb 3rd 'sunset' review will be extended until April? Considering that the 'sunset' date was offered by the Prime Minister to his own backbenchers to prevent a voting rebellion, that would a very bold unilateral move. I mean, maybe it is being considered but, if so, do you have a link? I could post something here suggesting that the 5 days of Xmas restriction lifting will be suspended. Which I think may possibly happen, although is unlikely to. But, you know, some evidence...? www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-boris-johnson-tells-tory-mps-tiered-restrictions-have-sunset-of-3-february-12145525After the fourth fortnightly review (27 January), parliament will have another vote on the tiered approach, determining whether the measures stay in place until the end of March." Which takes us conveniently to Easter, and also the Jan to April roll out of vaccine will be well under way so I fully expect to be back at Sutton games in April. There comes a point where the govt has to say the risk is now acceptable and let the beleaguered businesses that DID survive attempt to recover. That will almost certainly be in spring / summer. I work in hospitality and events, and we are planning full steam ahead from April. Jan you can just forget it, possibly full lockdown again. I expect minimum tier 3 until sometime in late Feb early Mar then down the tiers with eventual relaxation for Easter. It's always darkest before dawn, and the next few months are going to be effing rubbish.
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Post by davef on Dec 15, 2020 18:04:33 GMT
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Post by os on Dec 15, 2020 19:31:53 GMT
Where do you get the info that the Feb 3rd 'sunset' review will be extended until April? Considering that the 'sunset' date was offered by the Prime Minister to his own backbenchers to prevent a voting rebellion, that would a very bold unilateral move. I mean, maybe it is being considered but, if so, do you have a link? I could post something here suggesting that the 5 days of Xmas restriction lifting will be suspended. Which I think may possibly happen, although is unlikely to. But, you know, some evidence...? www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-boris-johnson-tells-tory-mps-tiered-restrictions-have-sunset-of-3-february-12145525After the fourth fortnightly review (27 January), parliament will have another vote on the tiered approach, determining whether the measures stay in place until the end of March." Which takes us conveniently to Easter, and also the Jan to April roll out of vaccine will be well under way so I fully expect to be back at Sutton games in April. There comes a point where the govt has to say the risk is now acceptable and let the beleaguered businesses that DID survive attempt to recover. That will almost certainly be in spring / summer. I work in hospitality and events, and we are planning full steam ahead from April. Jan you can just forget it, possibly full lockdown again. I expect minimum tier 3 until sometime in late Feb early Mar then down the tiers with eventual relaxation for Easter. It's always darkest before dawn, and the next few months are going to be effing rubbish. I think you have said what I said, I do expect Fans back in April, if no further mess is made of the management of the virus. This December is going to cost far more than it for everyone, football is just one tiny part of that. It is clear that cases are now getting out of control, Sutton up 75.1% in a week, and its by no means the worst area.
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Post by sallycat on Dec 15, 2020 22:35:19 GMT
This is really well written and informative and everyone should read it. Thanks Dave (and whoever wrote it, if it wasn't you).
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Post by oohaah on Dec 16, 2020 9:49:44 GMT
This is really well written and informative and everyone should read it. Thanks Dave (and whoever wrote it, if it wasn't you). Got to agree with The Cat. A clear and concise explanation. The author clearly doesn't work in Government.
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Post by dundas on Dec 17, 2020 9:57:03 GMT
www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-boris-johnson-tells-tory-mps-tiered-restrictions-have-sunset-of-3-february-12145525After the fourth fortnightly review (27 January), parliament will have another vote on the tiered approach, determining whether the measures stay in place until the end of March." Which takes us conveniently to Easter, and also the Jan to April roll out of vaccine will be well under way so I fully expect to be back at Sutton games in April. There comes a point where the govt has to say the risk is now acceptable and let the beleaguered businesses that DID survive attempt to recover. That will almost certainly be in spring / summer. I work in hospitality and events, and we are planning full steam ahead from April. Jan you can just forget it, possibly full lockdown again. I expect minimum tier 3 until sometime in late Feb early Mar then down the tiers with eventual relaxation for Easter. It's always darkest before dawn, and the next few months are going to be effing rubbish. I think you have said what I said, I do expect Fans back in April, if no further mess is made of the management of the virus. This December is going to cost far more than it for everyone, football is just one tiny part of that. It is clear that cases are now getting out of control, Sutton up 75.1% in a week, and its by no means the worst area. Why do you think a virus can be controlled? What steps do you recommend are taken to control wind and elephant poo once this force of nature it is "under control"?
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Post by Andy K on Dec 17, 2020 10:12:45 GMT
I think you have said what I said, I do expect Fans back in April, if no further mess is made of the management of the virus. This December is going to cost far more than it for everyone, football is just one tiny part of that. It is clear that cases are now getting out of control, Sutton up 75.1% in a week, and its by no means the worst area. Why do you think a virus can be controlled? What steps do you recommend are taken to control wind and elephant poo once this force of nature it is "under control"? How is that rock you've been hiding under for the last year?
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Post by dundas on Dec 17, 2020 11:09:44 GMT
How is that sofa you've been hiding behind for the last year?
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Post by baboonfish on Dec 17, 2020 11:11:46 GMT
Dundas what are you jibbering about? Some of us are more interested in when we can go back to a game again rather than cowering in constant media driven fear.
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Post by os on Dec 17, 2020 20:14:07 GMT
I think you have said what I said, I do expect Fans back in April, if no further mess is made of the management of the virus. This December is going to cost far more than it for everyone, football is just one tiny part of that. It is clear that cases are now getting out of control, Sutton up 75.1% in a week, and its by no means the worst area. Why do you think a virus can be controlled? What steps do you recommend are taken to control wind and elephant poo once this force of nature it is "under control"? I think this post is the reason why we should not have football with fans now, and why we as a society cannot open up many things without serious consequences. Yes a virus can be controlled, look at Australia and New Zealand, they have supporters back in grounds, 40.000 - 50,000 allowed to attend events.
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Post by dundas on Dec 17, 2020 22:21:49 GMT
Nope.
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Post by Andy K on Dec 17, 2020 22:24:39 GMT
How is that sofa you've been hiding behind for the last year? No idea. I was back at games making sure I took precautions enough to minimise any risk to anyone else. Maybe that's a concept you fail to understand with your obvious in depth knowledge of virology.
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Post by Andy K on Dec 17, 2020 22:27:12 GMT
Why do you think a virus can be controlled? What steps do you recommend are taken to control wind and elephant poo once this force of nature it is "under control"? I think this post is the reason why we should not have football with fans now, and why we as a society cannot open up many things without serious consequences. Yes a virus can be controlled, look at Australia and New Zealand, they have supporters back in grounds, 40.000 - 50,000 allowed to attend events. I don't want to agree with your first line as it does a little disservice to those fans taking every precaution. But on this occasion and in this context I couldn't agree more. And the virus can be controlled. Anyone who thinks it can't be is a danger to society.
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Post by dundas on Dec 22, 2020 21:05:08 GMT
How is that sofa you've been hiding behind for the last year? No idea. I was back at games making sure I took precautions enough to minimise any risk to anyone else. Maybe that's a concept you fail to understand with your obvious in depth knowledge of virology. It's demography I have an in depth knowledge of, enough to know that the initial stats were a fudge.
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Post by Andy K on Dec 23, 2020 10:26:00 GMT
No idea. I was back at games making sure I took precautions enough to minimise any risk to anyone else. Maybe that's a concept you fail to understand with your obvious in depth knowledge of virology. It's demography I have an in depth knowledge of, enough to know that the initial stats were a fudge. I have my doubts on that, but I'll accept your word on it. But the "initial stats" were in March/April. We're now in December and a lot more is known. So again, I'd take advice from experts in the field or people that work or deal on the front line above someone who has a self claimed expertise of demography. Having relatives that have either died or been hospitalised by this virus, I'm well aware of what can happen if people don't take appropriate care and maintain that those who don't are a danger to society.
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