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Post by sallycat on Mar 3, 2021 15:04:49 GMT
After months of feedback you’d think someone on sufctv duty might have listened and worked out where the zoom out button is, so we could actually see the game properly! I am massively grateful to SUFCtv for bringing me a classic, and all 5 goals in HD, well done to them but an even bigger one to those magicians in Amber and Choc - what a brilliant side they are  92 mins 12 secs winning goal was same time to the second that penalty was awarded last week... Can't disagree with any of this, and I'm massively grateful to SUFCtv too. Having said that, it's completely possible to be grateful to someone and appreciate what they bring you whilst also acknowledging ways in which it could be better, and if your polite constructive feedback is totally ignored then it can get a little irritating. I think we can all be proud of the great service SUFCtv brings to our club but I would want anything our club does to be the best it can possibly be. |
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Post by kpinwp on Mar 3, 2021 17:02:01 GMT
I am no football tactician, so here's a question for the wise heads (or anyone, really).
Our starting line up is pretty much chosen from the same 12 or 13 players. It can't be difficult for the opposition to research us and to understand what we do. Plus we've recently played some pretty decent opposition.
So, what is it that we're doing that is, currently, making us so hard to play against? I can see we have a team that don't drop heads, don't stop trying and have acquired the winning habit. But, is it just that we're doing 'what we do' particularly well? Or are there extra factors?
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Post by Stewart on Mar 3, 2021 17:22:29 GMT
I am no football tactician, so here's a question for the wise heads (or anyone, really). Our starting line up is pretty much chosen from the same 12 or 13 players. It can't be difficult for the opposition to research us and to understand what we do. Plus we've recently played some pretty decent opposition. So, what is it that we're doing that is, currently, making us so hard to play against? I can see we have a team that don't drop heads, don't stop trying and have acquired the winning habit. But, is it just that we're doing 'what we do' particularly well? Or are there extra factors? You often hear a team will play a certain way to match up with the opposition’s formation. Surely just do what you are good at and let the opposition worry about you! It seems to work for us. Having a decent team and manager does help😉 |
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Post by Amber Aleman on Mar 3, 2021 17:24:46 GMT
I am no football tactician, so here's a question for the wise heads (or anyone, really). Our starting line up is pretty much chosen from the same 12 or 13 players. It can't be difficult for the opposition to research us and to understand what we do. Plus we've recently played some pretty decent opposition. So, what is it that we're doing that is, currently, making us so hard to play against? I can see we have a team that don't drop heads, don't stop trying and have acquired the winning habit. But, is it just that we're doing 'what we do' particularly well? Or are there extra factors? I'm no great tactician either, but I'd say at least part of the answer is that, however much you set up a side to thwart the opposition, it's difficult to sustain that approach for 90 minutes. We saw that yesterday evening. In the first half Bromley set out to deny our players space and close them down in midfield. That worked for 45 minutes. At the start of the second half, no doubt following instructions, our players concentrated on retaining possession, even though that meant sitting back and building attacks more patiently. Bromley didn't have a Plan B to counter that switch in tactics. They lost the initiative and the game's momentum swung our way. |
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Post by tonyd on Mar 3, 2021 18:24:19 GMT
I’m definitely no tactician. Towards the end of the first half I wanted to sacrifice Randall for Kenny D, to get a better grip on midfield. Fortunately Matt couldn’t hear me shouting at the computer screen. Or maybe he did, just ignored me? Not a bad call, as it turned out. 🤗
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Post by os on Mar 4, 2021 0:00:39 GMT
I am massively grateful to SUFCtv for bringing me a classic, and all 5 goals in HD, well done to them but an even bigger one to those magicians in Amber and Choc - what a brilliant side they are 92 mins 12 secs winning goal was same time to the second that penalty was awarded last week... Can't disagree with any of this, and I'm massively grateful to SUFCtv too. Having said that, it's completely possible to be grateful to someone and appreciate what they bring you whilst also acknowledging ways in which it could be better, and if your polite constructive feedback is totally ignored then it can get a little irritating. I think we can all be proud of the great service SUFCtv brings to our club but I would want anything our club does to be the best it can possibly be. I am not quite sure if you mean this polite and constructive comment : "After months of feedback you’d think someone on sufctv duty might have listened and worked out where the zoom out button is,"Although I stepped back from the service a season or so back, I do know how difficult it is to film a match on one camera. The equipment isn't the best, the lighting is not the best, zoom in play is not easy. Having gone through the early years of SUFCtv and been through thousands of hours of footage and coached on camera work, I can say there is only one person skilled enough to film a match as many of you would like to see it, and he actually damaged his eye filming matches. I am sure that anyone who thinks they can do it better would be welcome to have a go at it. Of course the other thing is more investment in the video service, a professional tripod will cost at least £1000, and all of the money raised during these times via streaming is going towards paying the club bills, the service doesn't even get £50 a month. |
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Post by sallycat on Mar 4, 2021 9:47:39 GMT
No, I don't mean that comment. That was what I was referring to when I said people might get irritated (and therefore make comments like that one) when their polite and constructive feedback is ignored.
I can completely believe how difficult it is to film a match on one camera. I certainly would not have the knowledge or skills to do so myself. People at other clubs in our league do, though, so I wonder if it might be worth talking to some of them to see if they've managed to achieve this without using the sort of expensive equipment we don't have access to? Skills can be taught and there might be some great advice out there if we ask the right people.
My approach to problem solving has always been not to list all the reasons why you think we can't do it, but to try to think in different ways about how we can. We can't afford expensive stuff, so obviously the solution doesn't lie with the equipment and instead we need to look at other things if people are feeding back that the stream can be hard to follow.
Very sorry to hear about the eye damage. I do hope it isn't permanent.
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Post by Andy K on Mar 4, 2021 11:46:15 GMT
Can't disagree with any of this, and I'm massively grateful to SUFCtv too. Having said that, it's completely possible to be grateful to someone and appreciate what they bring you whilst also acknowledging ways in which it could be better, and if your polite constructive feedback is totally ignored then it can get a little irritating. I think we can all be proud of the great service SUFCtv brings to our club but I would want anything our club does to be the best it can possibly be. I am not quite sure if you mean this polite and constructive comment : "After months of feedback you’d think someone on sufctv duty might have listened and worked out where the zoom out button is,"Although I stepped back from the service a season or so back, I do know how difficult it is to film a match on one camera. The equipment isn't the best, the lighting is not the best, zoom in play is not easy. Having gone through the early years of SUFCtv and been through thousands of hours of footage and coached on camera work, I can say there is only one person skilled enough to film a match as many of you would like to see it, and he actually damaged his eye filming matches. I am sure that anyone who thinks they can do it better would be welcome to have a go at it. Of course the other thing is more investment in the video service, a professional tripod will cost at least £1000, and all of the money raised during these times via streaming is going towards paying the club bills, the service doesn't even get £50 a month. I think you may have missed the point. I think most of us are in agreement that we'd all like to see the best we can possibly get - something those behind the scenes at SUFCTV would be really proud of, something our own fans would think is one of the best in the league and something other fans can go away and say "Yes, that was good value coverage". Investing in equipment isn't the only answer either. Aldershot invariably have a more expensive set up than we do and their pictures were awful because they relied on some stupid "auto follow" thing which missed most of the action. No doubt because of the pandemic we've had to step up our offering (like every other club) and there are some things we do offer beyond what other clubs can (e.g the replay function is great), does that mean we shouldn't be striving to improve where we can? The team on the pitch try and do that and those behind the scenes at the club itself try and do that too. Saying "if you think you can do better come and do it" isn't really any sort of defence either. If you are offering a service that people have paid for then you are duty bound to offer some sort of value for money. Whilst I understand there can be technical issues beyond SUFCTVs control, there has, to my knowledge, any recent call for help for people to "come and do a better job". Perhaps asking that could give a positive response because one doesn't really know the skills that the fanbase has. You can't just dismiss it like that without giving any indication that you want to improve. I'm sure there are a number of people who would like to give feedback, whilst also understanding that doing that in public doesn't really help anyone. You either want feedback or you don't. If it is the latter then you should expect comments like that to appear in the public domain. If you understand that the intention of these people is to try and have the best we can possibly can in what is really now the main public face of the club on matchdays, then there isn't any need to be so defensive. |
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Post by jr on Mar 4, 2021 14:19:35 GMT
After months of feedback you’d think someone on sufctv duty might have listened and worked out where the zoom out button is, so we could actually see the game properly! I am massively grateful to SUFCtv for bringing me a classic, and all 5 goals in HD, well done to them but an even bigger one to those magicians in Amber and Choc - what a brilliant side they are 92 mins 12 secs winning goal was same time to the second that penalty was awarded last week... Firstly, let me say that i think SUFCtv do an excellent job and certainly during the first lockdown the service was invaluable. However you should be able to take constructive criticism in the manner that it is meant. No one is having a go, just merely making suggestions on how we can improve, and I suspect we would be fairly awful doing the job. But, we must look to improve what we do and the zooming issue ought to be addressed as should (although extremely minor but irritating) getting a picture for Isaac. One other criticism if I may, when it rains is it possible to get some sort of covering for the lens so it doesn't have to be continually wiped and thus making the viewing experience less enjoyable? If it requires investment to make minor adjustments, you never know, if you ask our wonderful supporters, that money may be forthcoming. |
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Post by halftimet on Mar 4, 2021 16:25:23 GMT
Might not be as easy as a cover on the camera. I remember the Rory Deacon disallowed goal against Leeds in the FA cup was very blurry because of rain. The lenses were often wiped and that was BT.
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Post by sallycat on Mar 4, 2021 16:26:40 GMT
It depends on things like wind speed and direction too, perhaps. I mean if the wind is blowing water under the cover there probably isn't a lot you can do about that, but it will still be better than nothing.
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Post by os on Mar 5, 2021 0:06:08 GMT
I can't quote all of you, there are some valid points, but the comment on the previous page isn't one of them and isn't particularly constructive. We got the service about as good as we could possibly get it a couple of seasons ago, it was taking a huge amount of time in post production, creating other videos such as screen shows and DVDs as well as making sure the match footage was right. That included coaching on the right time to zoom and the right time not too, and by the time we got to the Leeds match SUFCtv footage was actually better than that of BT who if you remember were completely unable to keep their lens dry. We even used to look at the sound levels before every match. In fact I was spending so much time on SUFCtv it was actually impacting on my day job. We needed then as we do now for this service to move from a team of satellite volunteers to wholly part of the clubs management structure forming a modern professional media department. That is the only way it can move to the next level and it can provide the type of service that I had certainly envisaged and by the sounds of it many of you are beginning to see by pointing out the obvious short comings in the current offerings. I think a clue might be in the fact that I personally stepped back from the service, but I do live in hope that SUFCtv will become part of a wider media policy at the club, and believe that promotion may bring that day a little closer. Yes I am jealous of some ex-football league clubs setups, but I continue to say that our club can do that too, it just needs to open that door |
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Post by tonyd on Mar 5, 2021 1:44:27 GMT
How much income would a professional set up generate and would it be sufficient to cover the costs? When you talk about becoming part of the club management structure, bear in mind that only the football management are professional; the remainder of the club management are volunteers and I don’t think could be bettered at our level.
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Post by markf on Mar 5, 2021 7:17:36 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong but should the club realise promotion (let's not forget we have only played half our season) I believe one of the EFL requirements is to have a full time media presence. Whether that extends to a tv production set up I am not sure.
However, whatever division SUFC is in next season it would be hoped that fans are back in the ground. In that case, I doubt the NL or the FA will continue to allow live streaming thus making the cost of having a what OS describes as "a professional dept" ie paid, difficult to justify. I would have thought even more so after the pandemic.
The observations made about SUFCTV are coming more readily because of live streaming. For the best reasons it will hopefully not be available next season.
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Post by os on Mar 5, 2021 23:41:27 GMT
Yes it is correct I believe in that the club would be required to have a full time media officer/presence.
In answer to Tonyd - Everything can be made better, and a professional service does not necessarily mean being paid.
And yes hopefully before too long we can attend matches again, but this world is not going back to same as it was before, and that will fuel an even bigger need for online activities to grow.
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