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Post by Andy K on Jun 24, 2022 11:18:54 GMT
I never understand this obsession with a "20 goals a season striker" mentality. Last season, only 3 clubs scored more league goals than we did. You need to have goals coming in from all over the park. If you rely on one player to be your main goalscorer and that player has a loss of form or gets injured, then you're not going to do very much.
You often find that these 20+ goalscorers are also penalty takers or set piece takers. And in league games last season, there were only 3 20+ goalscorers in the entire league (Stevens, Telford and McKirdy). When we already have designated set piece takers and penalty takers, finding a 20+ goal scorer who can be sure to net that number from open play will either be impossible to find and this level or will end up blowing the budget that we can't afford.
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Post by nonsuch on Jun 24, 2022 12:48:31 GMT
I never understand this obsession with a "20 goals a season striker" mentality. Last season, only 3 clubs scored more league goals than we did. You need to have goals coming in from all over the park. If you rely on one player to be your main goalscorer and that player has a loss of form or gets injured, then you're not going to do very much. You often find that these 20+ goalscorers are also penalty takers or set piece takers. And in league games last season, there were only 3 20+ goalscorers in the entire league (Stevens, Telford and McKirdy). When we already have designated set piece takers and penalty takers, finding a 20+ goal scorer who can be sure to net that number from open play will either be impossible to find and this level or will end up blowing the budget that we can't afford. I agree with a lot of what you say. But even 10+, as I said previously, would be a massive step forward.
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Post by is4 on Jun 24, 2022 14:04:01 GMT
I see Matt has signed ROMAN CHARLES-CLARK From the academy on a pro contract.Congratulations I believe that he is an attacking right back. We have 3 or 4 players who can play in that position.
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Post by davep on Jun 24, 2022 14:06:40 GMT
I think that when we talk about a '20 goal a season striker' what we mean is a forward with a high conversion rate of chances to goals. I don't think that any of Omar, Richie, Tanto or Donovan really fitted that description last season. Omar clearly contributes a large amount to the team and scores some great goals but I think that it is fair to say that he is not the most consistent of goal scorers - and I'm sure that I can recall an interview when he said that Matt had spoken to him about this. Tanto and Donovan were pretty prolific the season before last but not so much last season. In Tanto's case I suspect that it was because he was struggling with fitness/injuries. Unfortunately, if your strikers don't take chances in close games it is likely to cost you points. When we won the Rymans League, Richard Jolly and Leroy Griffiths were prolific, when we won the Conference South, Dan Fitchett had a prolific season and when we won the National League it was Tanto (and latterly Donovan).
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Post by is4 on Jun 24, 2022 14:14:15 GMT
Further to earlier post regarding the right back position. Is there a possibility that there may be another moving away.
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Post by Andy K on Jun 24, 2022 14:41:26 GMT
I never understand this obsession with a "20 goals a season striker" mentality. Last season, only 3 clubs scored more league goals than we did. You need to have goals coming in from all over the park. If you rely on one player to be your main goalscorer and that player has a loss of form or gets injured, then you're not going to do very much. You often find that these 20+ goalscorers are also penalty takers or set piece takers. And in league games last season, there were only 3 20+ goalscorers in the entire league (Stevens, Telford and McKirdy). When we already have designated set piece takers and penalty takers, finding a 20+ goal scorer who can be sure to net that number from open play will either be impossible to find and this level or will end up blowing the budget that we can't afford. I agree with a lot of what you say. But even 10+, as I said previously, would be a massive step forward. Sure and I don't disagree with you. But of course that's much more of a realistic possibility than a 20+ and quite a different proposition. Bearing in mind both our first choice wingers got close to that number last season makes it even more possible.
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Post by Andy K on Jun 24, 2022 14:48:27 GMT
I think that when we talk about a '20 goal a season striker' what we mean is a forward with a high conversion rate of chances to goals. I don't think that any of Omar, Richie, Tanto or Donovan really fitted that description last season. Omar clearly contributes a large amount to the team and scores some great goals but I think that it is fair to say that he is not the most consistent of goal scorers - and I'm sure that I can recall an interview when he said that Matt had spoken to him about this. Tanto and Donovan were pretty prolific the season before last but not so much last season. In Tanto's case I suspect that it was because he was struggling with fitness/injuries. Unfortunately, if your strikers don't take chances in close games it is likely to cost you points. When we won the Rymans League, Richard Jolly and Leroy Griffiths were prolific, when we won the Conference South, Dan Fitchett had a prolific season and when we won the National League it was Tanto (and latterly Donovan). But isn't that the point. Both Donovan and Tanto were more prolific at a lower level of football. The higher you go, the more expensive that sort of player is going to cost. I think we can all accept that this season, as last season, we're going to have one of the smaller budgets in the league. I expect that will be smaller than the 2 sides coming up, certainly significantly smaller than Stockport. We have to cut our cloth accordingly. Just as a point of note, we were the 4th highest scorers in the league last season. We had the 10th best defence in the league. Playing devil's advocate, are we asking the wrong question?
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Post by is4 on Jun 24, 2022 14:58:20 GMT
Further to Andyk' s comments. Yes we will have again another small squad for this season compared to other teams. Looking ahead I hope we don't have the amount of injuries we had last season when the squad was really stretched. Looking at Matt's interview it seems that he has in mind a few that will hopefully cover the losses the club has had.
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Post by davef on Jun 24, 2022 15:32:40 GMT
There is a squad size limit that applies equally to all clubs, I think it is 22 senior players excluding goalkeepers. The only way that some clubs can have bigger squads than others is by calling on young players, ie those aged under 21 at the start of the season (I might have the details slightly wrong). So, coming straight out of our academy, Roman Charles-Cook qualifies as a young player and does not therefore take up a place in the squad.
The few times I saw Roman last year, he reminded me a little of Mark Golley in the way he plays.
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Post by davep on Jun 24, 2022 15:39:56 GMT
It is natural to be a bit concerned given that since the January transfer window we have had 7 confirmed departures (Tobi, Ricky, Kenny, Stuart, Tanto, David and Richie) and the only confirmed arrivals so far are a couple of youngsters promoted from our own academy. That said, we used to have a saying "In Dos we trust" - and on the basis of what he has achieved so far, we should similarly trust Matt. With regards to Roman the young right back promoted from the academy, it is worth remembering that Jon Barden originally joined us as a holding midfield player - and we have a gap to fill there having released released Kenny D - and Joe Kizzi is, I understand, as comfortable at centre back as he is at right back - and there were concerns last season that we might be light at centre back if we picked up injuries with only three specialist centre backs. So maybe Matt is looking to balance up the squad as well as to unearth new talent. I note Andy K's comments about the potential cost of signing a proven goal scorer - but I think that there may be some bargains to be had in Non-League football - another Jamie Vardy perhaps?
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Post by davep on Jun 24, 2022 15:44:10 GMT
There is a squad size limit that applies equally to all clubs, I think it is 22 senior players excluding goalkeepers. The only way that some clubs can have bigger squads than others is by calling on young players, ie those aged under 21 at the start of the season (I might have the details slightly wrong). So, coming straight out of our academy, Roman Charles-Cook qualifies as a young player and does not therefore take up a place in the squad. The few times I saw Roman last year, he reminded me a little of Mark Golley in the way he plays. I wonder if Roman has a brother?
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Post by Stewart on Jun 24, 2022 16:13:01 GMT
There is a squad size limit that applies equally to all clubs, I think it is 22 senior players excluding goalkeepers. The only way that some clubs can have bigger squads than others is by calling on young players, ie those aged under 21 at the start of the season (I might have the details slightly wrong). So, coming straight out of our academy, Roman Charles-Cook qualifies as a young player and does not therefore take up a place in the squad. The few times I saw Roman last year, he reminded me a little of Mark Golley in the way he plays. I wonder if Roman has a brother? Yes he plays for Ross County!
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Post by jr on Jun 24, 2022 16:23:23 GMT
There is a squad size limit that applies equally to all clubs, I think it is 22 senior players excluding goalkeepers. The only way that some clubs can have bigger squads than others is by calling on young players, ie those aged under 21 at the start of the season (I might have the details slightly wrong). So, coming straight out of our academy, Roman Charles-Cook qualifies as a young player and does not therefore take up a place in the squad. The few times I saw Roman last year, he reminded me a little of Mark Golley in the way he plays. I wonder if there's any forthcoming news on Euan Mutale and Kai Tanner? There's a rumour that Dundee are sniffing around Mutale which would be a real shame.
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Post by Del on Jun 24, 2022 17:01:15 GMT
We have to bear in mind that academy players like Roman will probably go on loan for a season as they have to get used to playing senior football as opposed to youth football.
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Post by davep on Jun 25, 2022 7:18:44 GMT
It has to be said that if there are new signings in the pipeline, the club is keeping a very tight lid on things. Don't seem to be any rumours out there about players on their way to Sutton and the departures of David and Richie seemed to come out of the blue for most people. David said in an interview that his transfer to Peterborough 'had been talked about for some time' - but if that is the case, there doesn't appear to have been any leaks about those talks at either the Sutton or Peterborough end.
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