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Post by Del on Dec 20, 2022 8:45:29 GMT
We mustn't also forget that we have raised some capital through share issues .
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Post by baboonfish on Dec 20, 2022 14:58:14 GMT
We football fans are a deluded bunch. Anyone would think we got stuffed by a team below us. Matt put out the best available 11 regardless of position, which resulted in us being very hard to break down but chances were always going to be few and far between with a defensive 4-5-1. I have to say I think it was a good call. With Milsom there's always a chance of nicking a set piece goal, and you could see it took Orient most of the first half to adjust to the tactical surprise. However, Randall is our main creative outlet and he clearly wasnt fit. Hopefully he'll be back and firing for three huge games. Can't see any of them being decided by more than 1 goal and he could well be the difference.
I was particularly impressed with how we came out and bossed the first 20 mins of the second half after O's finished the first strongly, although things may have been very different if Neufville hadn't run into a dead end during a 2 on 2 breakaway.Always felt any goal was most likely to come from a mistake, and sadly it was a bad one from Enzio, who has been superb filling in.
As others have said, defending is not our issue. When you're scoring less than a goal a game, it's always going to be tough but look at the Gills - 6 goals all season. It could be much worse. We will nick enough goals to stay up, the question for me is whether the club wants to take a gamble and spend a bit of money to bring in a decent striker. I suspect the answer is no (especially after cup failure) and we'll end up with another similar quality option for free or on loan. ANyone calling for Kendall to be 'given a chance' clearly didnt go to the pizza cup game. We need to send him back, get Thomas off the payroll and try a different option, but half the teams in our division will be looking for strikers so don't expect a huge improvement. Wilson and Omar are still likely to be our first choice pairing. I just hope Matt can work some magic in the summer and bring in a goalscorer, but strikers are the most enigmatic and streaky bunch. Look at Dom Telford. Crawley must have thought they had guaranteed a 20+ goal a season man, but he's scored 2! We all remember the likes of Rickie Miller who could never reproduce one hot season.
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Post by banjo on Dec 20, 2022 17:09:17 GMT
On the subject off out lays. I think when Barnet got relegated to the national league they had to dismiss forty employees. We are no where near that number of employees . We keep then number to a bear minimum, so should be better off in that regard. But maybe we will need one or two more employees as the club grows and also we have great volunteers who help the club. other clubs don’t seem able to do. ⚽️⚽️⚽️
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Post by Andy K on Dec 20, 2022 20:29:38 GMT
We mustn't also forget that we have raised some capital through share issues . This is true, but the value of that this season (infact also in the last 12 months) is currently at £226,700. A quick back of the envelope calculation that if, say the average wage per player at Sutton is on £700 p/w (I don't know the exact figure, but I don't think that would be unrealistic) that's around 14 weeks wages. If you consider say we get 500 paying punters on average at £20 a pop, that doesn't cover our estimated weekly wage bill. Whichever way you skin it, you seen how small our budget is and how vital it is that we utilise other matchday income (such as the fanzone) as much as possible.
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Post by Andy K on Dec 20, 2022 20:40:01 GMT
I guess that’s rather the point Del is making isn’t it? It’s fair to assume that our income is limited compared to others based on the size of our home gates but we have no idea what others pay their playing staff/ admin teams/ ground staff etc. Of course we have had to outlay significant expenditure to bring GGL up to league standards. But My guess - and it is a complete guess - is that many others will have significantly more outlay than us. Fact is we just don’t know so don’t think we should keep using this line about us having lowest budget in the division. And that is simple economics. The more money a club has to spend, the more it can spend. If we have less money that other clubs (which I've already explained), then isn't it a fair assumption to suggest we have the smallest budget in the league. Trivial I know, but anyone who has a copy of FIFA23 will tell you that the smallest budget allocated to an EFL club is....Sutton United. One may think that's a silly example to give, but as the game is meant to be realisitic and they have an entire team at EA which researches these things, have they got that totally wrong?
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Post by Andy K on Dec 20, 2022 20:48:08 GMT
We football fans are a deluded bunch. Anyone would think we got stuffed by a team below us. Matt put out the best available 11 regardless of position, which resulted in us being very hard to break down but chances were always going to be few and far between with a defensive 4-5-1. I have to say I think it was a good call. With Milsom there's always a chance of nicking a set piece goal, and you could see it took Orient most of the first half to adjust to the tactical surprise. However, Randall is our main creative outlet and he clearly wasnt fit. Hopefully he'll be back and firing for three huge games. Can't see any of them being decided by more than 1 goal and he could well be the difference. I was particularly impressed with how we came out and bossed the first 20 mins of the second half after O's finished the first strongly, although things may have been very different if Neufville hadn't run into a dead end during a 2 on 2 breakaway.Always felt any goal was most likely to come from a mistake, and sadly it was a bad one from Enzio, who has been superb filling in. As others have said, defending is not our issue. When you're scoring less than a goal a game, it's always going to be tough but look at the Gills - 6 goals all season. It could be much worse. We will nick enough goals to stay up, the question for me is whether the club wants to take a gamble and spend a bit of money to bring in a decent striker. I suspect the answer is no (especially after cup failure) and we'll end up with another similar quality option for free or on loan. ANyone calling for Kendall to be 'given a chance' clearly didnt go to the pizza cup game. We need to send him back, get Thomas off the payroll and try a different option, but half the teams in our division will be looking for strikers so don't expect a huge improvement. Wilson and Omar are still likely to be our first choice pairing. I just hope Matt can work some magic in the summer and bring in a goalscorer, but strikers are the most enigmatic and streaky bunch. Look at Dom Telford. Crawley must have thought they had guaranteed a 20+ goal a season man, but he's scored 2! We all remember the likes of Rickie Miller who could never reproduce one hot season. Couldn't agree more with the first half of your post, but of course I do have to take issue with the last half. If we had players scoring and others not then you'd be spot on, but as I mentioned before, none of them are. I think the fundamental problem lays deeper that individuals. Telford, given the service, scored for fun last season, but this season in a much weaker side is struggling. It worth remembering though that last season, Telford and Baker Richardson got half of Newports goals, and they still ended up scoring less than we did. I'd expect we will get a striker in January, probably on loan. And I wouldn't be surprised if the two you've mentioned would be higher on the list of others to go elsewhere bearing in mind the little game time they've had in recent weeks.
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Post by os on Dec 20, 2022 22:45:41 GMT
On the subject off out lays. I think when Barnet got relegated to the national league they had to dismiss forty employees. We are no where near that number of employees . We keep then number to a bear minimum, so should be better off in that regard. But maybe we will need one or two more employees as the club grows and also we have great volunteers who help the club. other clubs don’t seem able to do. ⚽️⚽️⚽️ I think the club has employed too many people in non playing roles, I would be interested to know what the total salary bill was for paid 'non' playing staff?
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Post by Amber Aleman on Dec 21, 2022 8:53:30 GMT
If I recall correctly, at the recent fans' forum our new Chief Commercial Officer said that the club only employs five people. That's obviously aside from the playing/coaching/team management side of things, and also the bar operation which is run separately.
This football club is still largely run by volunteers (several of whom are members of this forum). I doubt that any other League Two club has an overall salary bill as low as ours. (Actual figures are of course included in the club's annual accounts.) Things are changing though, as we gradually achieve the transition to a more professional status.
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Post by Andy K on Dec 21, 2022 16:47:58 GMT
On the subject off out lays. I think when Barnet got relegated to the national league they had to dismiss forty employees. We are no where near that number of employees . We keep then number to a bear minimum, so should be better off in that regard. But maybe we will need one or two more employees as the club grows and also we have great volunteers who help the club. other clubs don’t seem able to do. ⚽️⚽️⚽️ I think the club has employed too many people in non playing roles, I would be interested to know what the total salary bill was for paid 'non' playing staff? Oh right. How many is that then?
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Post by halftimet on Dec 21, 2022 19:56:40 GMT
Charley Kendall and Luke Gambin. Thank you. I like Charley what I've seen of him. Maybe we can keep him in lieu of one or two others. We've got too many forward options. Maybe one of them could be converted to a centre back. We know how rigid Matt is in his 4-4-2 formation so I can only assume he played 4-5-1 as Wilson was unfit and feels Kendall, Thomas Koassi and Faduhansi are not good enough to start. Dundas seems to be ahead of Thomas for a place on the bench.
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Post by davep on Dec 21, 2022 20:54:08 GMT
Thank you. I like Charley what I've seen of him. Maybe we can keep him in lieu of one or two others. We've got too many forward options. Maybe one of them could be converted to a centre back. We know how rigid Matt is in his 4-4-2 formation so I can only assume he played 4-5-1 as Wilson was unfit and feels Kendall, Thomas Koassi and Faduhansi are not good enough to start. Dundas seems to be ahead of Thomas for a place on the bench. Of course, Dundo offers cover in midfield as well as up front (possibly even centre-back).
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Post by os on Dec 21, 2022 23:59:50 GMT
I think the club has employed too many people in non playing roles, I would be interested to know what the total salary bill was for paid 'non' playing staff? Oh right. How many is that then? You are somewhat of a troll aren't you!
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Post by sallycat on Dec 22, 2022 6:52:32 GMT
It's just a question. I was also wondering how many paid employees you thought the club has, because in reality it's still very few. Having said that, I suspect your "the club has employed too many people" actually means, "I disapprove of the Director of Football post."
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Post by Andy K on Dec 23, 2022 13:27:27 GMT
Oh right. How many is that then? You are somewhat of a troll aren't you! No OS, I'm asking a question. I don't know. You are writing in a way suggesting you may well know, or know enough to decide there are too many of them. So are you able to answer the question? If you think that's trolling, then the issue lies with you rather than anyone else.
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Post by Andy K on Dec 23, 2022 13:32:16 GMT
It's just a question. I was also wondering how many paid employees you thought the club has, because in reality it's still very few. Having said that, I suspect your "the club has employed too many people" actually means, "I disapprove of the Director of Football post." In the last set of posted accounts (for 20/21) it stated that we had 38 paid employees (down from 41 in the previous years). That includes everyone paid by the club, both playing and non-playing staff. Once you take out the squad and the management team (both on football and non football matters), you're probably left with a number you can count on one hand. But hey OS seems to know. Or he just hates Terry Bullivant.
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