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Post by davep on Apr 4, 2023 21:11:55 GMT
Totally understand that Matt doesn't want to give information to the opposition about how we might line up prior to games. However, it would be nice to keep a bit more in touch with our injured players and how they are doing. For example, Coby missed last week's game at Mansfield. I presume he is injured but I don't think the club has said anything about this (I may have missed it) - if he is injured is it serious? I was wondering whether SUFC TV could do an occasional 'From the treatment room' feature and catch up with the likes of Jon Barden, Josh Neuville etc.
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Post by markf on Apr 4, 2023 21:20:58 GMT
In his post match interview after Walsall game, Matt said Coby was still feeling the effects of his clash of heads during Mansfield match.
Not sure how else he can convey that sort of information any better than he did.
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Post by davep on Apr 5, 2023 1:01:47 GMT
Thanks Mark. I listened to that interview - but somehow managed to miss that. I'll get my coat.
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Post by presssec on Apr 5, 2023 17:22:03 GMT
I'll come clean that I did forget to mention Coby in the post-match last week, which is why I made sure it was mentioned in the match report that went on line in the evening. As regards the other players mentioned, while a 'treatment room' interview is worth exploring every so often, I would refer anyone interested to the section between 4 minutes and 5 minutes in the pre-match interview last week.
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Post by halftimet on Apr 5, 2023 18:14:49 GMT
The problem with treatment room interviews is you would have to be careful not to rub someone up the wrong way and be wary of mixed massages.
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Post by sufc1898 on Apr 5, 2023 18:16:55 GMT
What’s with the obsession of having to know everything about all the injured players?? I think it’s covered well by Matt and Tony in pre and/or post match interviews. If in doubt, speak to one of the management team, again, pre or post the match.
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Post by davep on Apr 5, 2023 20:33:41 GMT
I think that I should probably stop posting on this board. Too many of my posts are misconstrued.
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Post by sufc18 on Apr 5, 2023 21:52:15 GMT
What’s with the obsession of having to know everything about all the injured players?? I think it’s covered well by Matt and Tony in pre and/or post match interviews. If in doubt, speak to one of the management team, again, pre or post the match. And some of it is confidential medical information that we have no right to be informed of!
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Post by backhome2016 on Apr 6, 2023 7:40:26 GMT
Medical updates of players are expected from their football clubs in the higher leagues, it just goes with the territory of being aware of the fan base and medias interest. More than ever, as a ‘proper’ league club we (the club and supporters) should accept this. There will, of course, be times when the injury or illness of a player is of a sensitive nature and not for public consumption, but mostly this will not be the case. I think medical updates are a good thing, adds to the feeling of being included into the club set-up and there is nothing wrong in knowing that a player is likely to be missing (or might be returning) to a game. As for the opposition? I don’t think that knowing that Coby is a doubt for their match gives them any advantage at all.
We often see Premiership managers giving thorough (and honest) accounts of player availability that does sometimes lead to mind games (such as Pep’s latest Haaland injury, suggesting that he might play him against Liverpool regardless of injury). He didn’t.
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Post by markf on Apr 6, 2023 10:13:15 GMT
If a manager of a club wants to play his cards close to his chest that's fine by me.
Fans can have their opinions on the matter and that's fine too but ultimately it's up to the manager and if he wants to retain a certain policy that's his prerogative.
Not sure what the problem is finding out an hour before kick off that player(s) are injured?
Or is it this insatiable need for some to know everything as it happens?
And what difference does it make, us being a "proper" EFL club to a NL club?
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Post by backhome2016 on Apr 6, 2023 10:28:24 GMT
And what difference does it make, us being a "proper" EFL club to a NL club? Come on Mark, you know the answer to that - the club have to up their game because of our EFL entry (grass pitch, seating minimum,etc,etc) and along with that comes communication expectations. At this level, like it or not, the club is a business, an entertainment outlet, has become an investment (time and money) from many thousands of customers. Yes, I’ve used the word ‘customers’ there, I don’t like it, but that is what we are. As it stands, ‘brand’ SUFC have left the days of playing Isthmian league football in front of 400 fans behind, and with it comes an expectation of pandering to the masses. Many will not have your years of loyal service, but their ‘wants’ are just as important. To prise away the younger fans from Chelsea, Palace, Fulham et al, they will expect the club to act like them. Hence why injury updates should be normality.
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Post by markf on Apr 6, 2023 10:39:04 GMT
I said NL as in National League not non-league.
Updates on known injured players is fine and is generally covered in pre match interviews etc but new injuries shouldn't need to be disclosed until the squad selection is announced pre match.
When I read some other L2 clubs forums about club communication levels SUFC appear to be doing pretty well at present.
And I will restate, it's the manager's prerogative what info he discloses and when he discloses.
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Post by Andy K on Apr 6, 2023 10:41:04 GMT
And what difference does it make, us being a "proper" EFL club to a NL club? Come on Mark, you know the answer to that - the club have to up their game because of our EFL entry (grass pitch, seating minimum,etc,etc) and along with that comes communication expectations. At this level, like it or not, the club is a business, an entertainment outlet, has become an investment (time and money) from many thousands of customers. Yes, I’ve used the word ‘customers’ there, I don’t like it, but that is what we are. As it stands, ‘brand’ SUFC have left the days of playing Isthmian league football in front of 400 fans behind, and with it comes an expectation of pandering to the masses. Many will not have your years of loyal service, but their ‘wants’ are just as important. To prise away the younger fans from Chelsea, Palace, Fulham et al, they will expect the club to act like them. Hence why injury updates should be normality. If you think that knowing details of injuries will prise fans away from Chelsea, Palace, Fulham et all, then with all love and affection, that's delusional. You prise fans away by success more than anything. Which is why we regularly have 2000+ home supporters and not 400 at Isthmian level. As far as I'm concerned, any injury updates should be at whatever level Matt and the club feel comfortable with, balancing the "wants" of the fans (which in itself isn't quantifiable) to their approach in management. And in terms of wants, it's also impossible to generalise what fans want, regardless of "length of service" aside from probably one thing. Success on the pitch. Even if someone's favourite player is injured and the management doesn't tell them in a pre match interview, I'll be really impressed if you could even find me one fan who'd be upset to any degree if we won said game.
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Post by backhome2016 on Apr 6, 2023 11:02:06 GMT
I suggested that prising fans away from our ‘bigger’ neighbours would be made more successful by acting like them, injury updates being just one such example. So no, not delusional.
My final post on this subject (honest). It’s going round in circles now.
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Post by davethegrave on Apr 6, 2023 16:39:17 GMT
I do get this "wanting to know". I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't read everything and watch all of the interviews.
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