jr
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Post by jr on Apr 16, 2023 9:49:26 GMT
Similar to Harrogate we may get a dispensation from the league. We have had dispensation by being in the league for 3 seasons
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jr
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Post by jr on Apr 16, 2023 10:03:17 GMT
Anyway back to the game. Orient were very good and hard to break down. We were quite poor at times especially with set pieces and the same predictable throw ons. There is zero point in Enzio taking long throws as they need to be flat and fast and not coming down with snow in it and slow. Also the oppo know we're throwing to Omar so they have 2 men on him and prevent him getting anywhere near the flick on.
I thought Rose had an outstanding game again.
Our failure to hit the target is a worry if it continues into next season but I do detect there may be a bit of a shake up for next season. A lot of teams have worked us out.
At times this season I've wondered if I'm watching WWE or the beautiful game and yesterday was another example with what happened to Lee on the halfway line. Even the Orient fans I spoke to were amazed. The refs must have had some guidance to let things like that go. I have no idea why. It's ruining the game and certainly my enjoyment.
We were better second half but that wasn't difficult. I think if we finish 10th that would be about right and another good season.
Congrats to Orient on their inevitable promotion and Championship (4 points needed to win the league with 1 for promotion).
If Northampton and Stevenage go up to it looks like we'll be travelling more next season with Accrington and Morecambe likely to come down from L1.
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Post by boomboom on Apr 16, 2023 10:14:36 GMT
Yet again, Matt mentioned, in his post-match interview, lack of quality in front of goal.
Here's a thought. Currently, according to my reckoning, we have 6 strikers in the squad: Bugiel, Wilson, Kouassi, Bugiel, Angol and Dennis. Adding those out on loan, Fadushini and Thomas, brings the total to 8. Would we better tipping the balance towards quality away from quantity?
Incidentally, in contrast, we're relatively light on centre-backs so yesterday was another example of somebody (Kizzi) having to fill in.
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markf
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Post by markf on Apr 16, 2023 10:32:46 GMT
As JR pointed out we have to have the minimum seating requirement in place by the end of next season so priority to the playing squad is probably not an option.
Please read my post on a previous thread. I don't know everything but remembering the various announcements made by the club over the past two years may help others stop posting stuff in apparent ignorance.
I will repeat my last sentence of that previous post. A tough balancing act.
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Post by backhome2016 on Apr 16, 2023 11:38:57 GMT
Regardless of injuries and illness we were well and truly second best. As for next season, I do think this match highlighted a few points…
Defensively we are quite sound. Apart from their number seven they didn’t have great joy. With Ben, Louis, John Barden and Rob Milsom missing (for large periods of the season) our remaining defenders have shown we have great depth here.
As others have said, up front is a worry. I won’t name names but some are not up to this level or are not ready yet. Big rethink needed.
And often the strikers have been fed little from midfield. Creativity sadly lacking. We also have an ageing issue.
Out wide we have threats to the oppo but often our players are isolated or do the same thing which is easily snuffed out. At times it is as if once we get onto the edge of our opponents area that we stop play, regroup, and lose momentum, with fluidity going out of the window.
A bit of a head scratcher for the club this summer, balancing stadium costs with players contracts. What is obvious is that this summers recruitment needs to be far better than last. Only Sam Hart (after a beginning blighted by ill health) seems to have been a success.
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Post by paz on Apr 16, 2023 11:46:32 GMT
If we need the seating to increase by end of next season surely it would be better to do it this pre season, as if we shut down half the stadium mid season we may have to reduce ticket sales due to limited capacity which will ultimately cost us. I imagine with the working involved that pretty much most of the park side of the stadium will be closed off?
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Post by davep on Apr 16, 2023 11:53:27 GMT
Boomboom - We also have Hisham Kasimu as a striker - although he hasn't actually played for us. I agree with you that ideally we would have four strikers of EFL 2 starting xi standard - and perhaps one promising young striker - rather than nine strikers of variable standard. I suspect that this is in part a consequence of getting some of our recruitment wrong in the Summer and trying to address this in January. I'm sure Matt will seek to address this further in the coming Summer window.
Presumably Matt Dennis, Josh, David and Tyla will return to their own clubs. Some other players will be released by us to find other clubs where they can have more (some) game time (e.g. Luke) - some other players may leave because they receive better offers elsewhere.
Totally agree with Mark that there has to be a balancing act between spending what we have to spend on the ground and what we might otherwise like to spend on the squad - but I think major squad changes will inevitably occur. Right now, I would definitely take a mid-table finish at the end of next season - and I think that may represent a tough challenge.
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Post by timall on Apr 16, 2023 12:39:01 GMT
If we need the seating to increase by end of next season surely it would be better to do it this pre season, as if we shut down half the stadium mid season we may have to reduce ticket sales due to limited capacity which will ultimately cost us. I imagine with the working involved that pretty much most of the park side of the stadium will be closed off? Find me half a million in the next 3 weeks and I will start it at 4pm on 8th May. Alternatively, if we need to do it at some other point, then we also need to maintain a capacity above 5,000 throughout next season for every EFL game. Not every conundrum has an easy solution, but we have always been willing listeners.
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Post by garethl on Apr 16, 2023 13:55:55 GMT
Similar to Harrogate we may get a dispensation from the league. What dispensation did Harrogate receive?
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Post by garethl on Apr 16, 2023 14:10:02 GMT
If we need the seating to increase by end of next season surely it would be better to do it this pre season, as if we shut down half the stadium mid season we may have to reduce ticket sales due to limited capacity which will ultimately cost us. I imagine with the working involved that pretty much most of the park side of the stadium will be closed off? Find me half a million in the next 3 weeks and I will start it at 4pm on 8th May. Alternatively, if we need to do it at some other point, then we also need to maintain a capacity above 5,000 throughout next season for every EFL game. Not every conundrum has an easy solution, but we have always been willing listeners. Is there a difficult solution? I’m struggling to see how we maintain that capacity and have a significant part of the ground shut in season. Is there no temporary let up on capacity for building works to get up to standard? Seems a touch draconian.
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Post by garethl on Apr 16, 2023 14:11:02 GMT
What dispensation did Harrogate receive? Gareth, I think they’re saying the length of time we have to build the new stand. So we could get dispensation like harrogate might of got to build the stand. That’s what I’m asking. Did they get an extra season to get to 2,000 seats?! What was the dispensation?
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Post by timall on Apr 16, 2023 14:39:24 GMT
Gareth, I think they’re saying the length of time we have to build the new stand. So we could get dispensation like harrogate might of got to build the stand. That’s what I’m asking. Did they get an extra season to get to 2,000 seats?! What was the dispensation? Let me try and articulate this in simple terms. The "rule" is to have 2,000 seats "before the end of the third season". This means, given the desire not to operate a building site during the playing season, and to ensure a 5,000 capacity is maintained at all times, in practice the (nearly) only time to do such works is during the summer close season. So to be compliant, in effect, the work needs completing in the summer break between seasons two and three. In practice, with a coherent plan, and demonstrable commitment, the EFL have been persuaded it seems by both Barrow and Harrogate, they can use the summer break after season three, but presumably before the commencement of season four, to complete their obligations to be members of the EFL. So, given this seeming precedent, and were we to be able to demonstrate having such a "coherent plan", including its financing, it MAY be possible we don't have to do the works during this summer, nor during next season, but possibly be able to do it in next summer's break.
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Post by backhome2016 on Apr 16, 2023 15:39:34 GMT
Did anybody else notice Danny Cowley at the game? Bit of freelance scouting? Secret U’s supporter? Apparently a Hammer, so could have been giving neighbouring Orient a bit of support.
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Post by garethl on Apr 16, 2023 15:50:57 GMT
That’s what I’m asking. Did they get an extra season to get to 2,000 seats?! What was the dispensation? Let me try and articulate this in simple terms. The "rule" is to have 2,000 seats "before the end of the third season". This means, given the desire not to operate a building site during the playing season, and to ensure a 5,000 capacity is maintained at all times, in practice the (nearly) only time to do such works is during the summer close season. So to be compliant, in effect, the work needs completing in the summer break between seasons two and three. In practice, with a coherent plan, and demonstrable commitment, the EFL have been persuaded it seems by both Barrow and Harrogate, they can use the summer break after season three, but presumably before the commencement of season four, to complete their obligations to be members of the EFL. So, given this seeming precedent, and were we to be able to demonstrate having such a "coherent plan", including its financing, it MAY be possible we don't have to do the works during this summer, nor during next season, but possibly be able to do it in next summer's break. Thanks, that makes sense now!
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Post by boomboom on Apr 16, 2023 16:21:57 GMT
Boomboom - We also have Hisham Kasimu as a striker - although he hasn't actually played for us. I agree with you that ideally we would have four strikers of EFL 2 starting xi standard - and perhaps one promising young striker - rather than nine strikers of variable standard. I suspect that this is in part a consequence of getting some of our recruitment wrong in the Summer and trying to address this in January. I'm sure Matt will seek to address this further in the coming Summer window. Presumably Matt Dennis, Josh, David and Tyla will return to their own clubs. Some other players will be released by us to find other clubs where they can have more (some) game time (e.g. Luke) - some other players may leave because they receive better offers elsewhere. Totally agree with Mark that there has to be a balancing act between spending what we have to spend on the ground and what we might otherwise like to spend on the squad - but I think major squad changes will inevitably occur. Right now, I would definitely take a mid-table finish at the end of next season - and I think that may represent a tough challenge. Oops, I forgot to mention Hashim. Good points and I too agree with Mark's balancing act observation. We certainly shouldn't spend beyond our means. To do so could well be suicidal.
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