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Post by boomboom on Oct 16, 2023 11:06:16 GMT
For information and I believe worthy of its own thread. Our league record since the 3-0 defeat of Crawly on 7 March this year:
Played 24, won 2, drawn 5, lost 17, goals for 23, goals against 49, points 11, points per game 0.46 Extrapolated number of points over 46 matches = 21
This season only: Played 13, won 2, drawn 1, lost 10, goals for 17, goals against 30, points 7, points per game 0.54 Extrapolated number of points over 46 matches = 25
Clearly this is relegation form but it's actually far worse:
The extrapolated number of points are both a long way below the average number points achieved by the bottom L2 club (NB not the number required for safety!) this millenium, ie 39. Indeed, it's even fewer than the lowest number over the period, ie Scunthorpe's 26 in 2021/22.
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Post by is4 on Oct 16, 2023 12:25:02 GMT
That makes interesting ( dire ) reading. It proves that there is something amiss.
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Post by boomboom on Oct 21, 2023 17:02:02 GMT
For information and I believe worthy of its own thread. Our league record since the 3-0 defeat of Crawly on 7 March this year: Played 24, won 2, drawn 5, lost 17, goals for 23, goals against 49, points 11, points per game 0.46 Extrapolated number of points over 46 matches = 21 This season only: Played 13, won 2, drawn 1, lost 10, goals for 17, goals against 30, points 7, points per game 0.54 Extrapolated number of points over 46 matches = 25 Clearly this is relegation form but it's actually far worse: The extrapolated number of points are both a long way below the average number points achieved by the bottom L2 club (NB not the number required for safety!) this millenium, ie 39. Indeed, it's even fewer than the lowest number over the period, ie Scunthorpe's 26 in 2021/22. UPDATE:Our league record since the 3-0 defeat of Crawly on 7 March this year: Played 25, won 2, drawn 5, lost 18, goals for 25, goals against 52, points 11, points per game 0.44 Extrapolated number of points over 46 matches = 20 This season only: Played 14, won 2, drawn 1, lost 11, goals for 19, goals against 33, points 7, points per game 0.50 Extrapolated number of points over 46 matches = 23 For a side bottom, 19 goals from 14 matches is a really handy return. Well done to Harry Smith who's now up to 6 goals, equalling last season's joint top scorers. He and perhaps others must be wondering what they've let themselves in for.
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Post by sufc1898 on Oct 21, 2023 17:26:07 GMT
Is this really necessary?
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Post by ggl on Oct 21, 2023 17:27:21 GMT
That makes interesting ( dire ) reading. It proves that there is something amiss. Really ? Not according to the board who continue to support MG being in post 😬😬.
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Post by boomboom on Oct 21, 2023 17:35:10 GMT
Is this really necessary? No but it might be of interest to some. If the moderators want to delete the thread I won't complain.
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Post by steveb on Oct 21, 2023 17:41:03 GMT
Don’t know if it’s necessary but I think it’s very interesting and proves how long our decline has been in effect.
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Post by Andy K on Oct 21, 2023 18:56:05 GMT
Is this really necessary? I don't think it is. Or especially relevant. Last season ended in May.
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Post by kpinwp on Oct 21, 2023 19:15:58 GMT
It's a somewhat artificial time-frame, being that it crosses two seasons. And it is measuring the performance of two different groups of players (to some extent). But, it is a stat.
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Post by os on Oct 21, 2023 19:27:30 GMT
I believe we may be in the worst form of any professional team in Europe.
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Post by halftimet on Oct 21, 2023 20:36:22 GMT
It may not be popular but it is fact. If the club as some players obviously did saw the writing on the wall last season Matt may not have been our Manager in August.
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Post by ggl on Oct 21, 2023 21:05:17 GMT
Is this really necessary? Surely this is one question that really should not be asked in my opinion . It shows how long our decline has been going on for and how long Matt , his management team and the board have had to try to rectify it . And before anybody says “ Matt needs time “ or “ give him another six games “ they are living in a different world to most of our supporters I would suggest . This club is now like a speeding car heading for a brick wall and from Matt upwards those driving have forgotten not only where the break pedal is but the steering wheel as well . We are in for a hard crash out of the EFL unless somebody in authority makes a hard but very necessary decision and pretty dam quick . Not likely I feel though because “ we are not a sacking club “ . Well in my opinion it’s about bloody time that we became one 🤪.
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Post by Del on Oct 21, 2023 21:24:10 GMT
Last season isn't relevant. We started this season two months ago with a lot of new players.Matt hasn't become a bad manager overnight and as long we are not cut adrift from the other teams at the bottom then he needs time to get it right. The team put in a really good shift today and if people can't see that then they are supporting the wrong team.
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Post by halftimet on Oct 21, 2023 22:17:41 GMT
I can’t see why last season is irrrelevant. Was the reformation of the squad a management choice or a necessity?
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Post by baboonfish on Oct 21, 2023 22:45:21 GMT
Last season isn't relevant. We started this season two months ago with a lot of new players.Matt hasn't become a bad manager overnight and as long we are not cut adrift from the other teams at the bottom then he needs time to get it right. The team put in a really good shift today and if people can't see that then they are supporting the wrong team. No it is not irrelevant. Losing is a habit, as is winning, and it could be argued it was a habit we acquired during that awful run last season. Would any other team have kept faith with a manager who has Matt's recent record? Maybe a Norwich or Luton getting battered in the prem, but nobody else. Yes, we are not adrift and yes it's not yet s a hopeless situation. Matt should be allowed a few more weeks to turn around this atrocious run, and more importantly our propensity towards weekly errors leading to goals you'd shudder at conceding on a Sunday morning park pitch. If you don't understand why there's a high level of concern among fans, then you don't fully grasp (or perhaps don't care - some fans yearn for a return to the non league days) that if we get relegated, there is a high chance many of us will never see league football again at GGL in our lifetimes. The gravity of clubs leaving L2 tends to pull downwards rather than floating back up. As I said, losing is a habit, and truth is, a team has to be utterly DISMAL to get sucked out of L2. It's a hard league to get relegated from. If a side like Wrexham can spend 15 seasons, and Notts C was it 4 or 5, trying to escape the conference, it's not wild to suggest we may NEVER return. Can you see Dagenham Southend or York coming back soon? What about Chester, Torquay, Scunthorpe, Darlington or Hereford? That is what is at stake. Fail to beat Tranmere or Colchester, Matt has to go.
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