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Post by Amber Aleman on Nov 25, 2023 18:14:39 GMT
If we were a few places higher in the table, this would have been a decent result. But such is our parlous position, we need to be winning tight games like this one. There was little in today's performance to dissuade me from the view that we're heading back to the National League.
This was a game that was crying out for Omari Patrick to be brought on as an impact player for the last 10-15 minutes. That would have been a risk, but we now have to take risks. A cautious approach is not going to get us the points we require.
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Post by brisfitboy on Nov 25, 2023 18:18:26 GMT
Just seen the highlights nd unlucky not to have won, Smith’s goal was a cracker and Goodliffe’s header was spot on, shame about the keeper 🙆🏼♂️
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Post by brian54 on Nov 25, 2023 23:00:09 GMT
Ben's late injury plus the ref hurrying us during the incident resulting that 3rd substitution had to be made quickly limiting our ability to bring Patrick on at the same moment which was the final oportunity . Notwithstanding Matts preference to make like for like subs
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Post by brian54 on Nov 25, 2023 23:02:21 GMT
Overall a spirited performance, if only had Coley scored having worked his chance so well!
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Post by kpinwp on Nov 25, 2023 23:56:50 GMT
It feels niggardly to be criticising in the middle of a mini-revival but the recent run of better results are still not proving to be enough to make any real change to our poor position.
What is frequently a life saver for struggling teams in this division is the fact that there are often one or two other teams that are simply blowing up, usually due to some structural/financial instability in the club. Not so, thus far this season.
Additionally no other club yet seems to have put in a really poor sequence of results. As soon as one starts to do so they then pull put of it.
Bloody selfish, I call it.
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Post by steveb on Nov 26, 2023 7:21:22 GMT
What worry’s me is that we’re in a mini revival, and on a short unbeaten run but are falling further behind and failing to beat our immediate rivals.
I can see us getting ahead of FG possibly but plucky 1-1 draws won’t help us to catch the group above if they keep winning occasionally.
Tranmere had a fantastic win yesterday and now have 4 points from 2 games.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Nov 26, 2023 8:36:39 GMT
Tranmere have earned seven points from their last three league games, which is four more than we've managed. We're now four behind them.
A win yesterday would have taken us level on points with Forest Green and only three behind Grimsby.
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Post by Andy K on Nov 26, 2023 10:17:13 GMT
Is anyone seriously not happy we got a point in the middle of a 500 mile round trip at a side with a decent home record? Is anyone seriously disappointed with that performance?
As it currently stands we need to get 6/7 more points than the teams around us to be safe over the course of 27 games. It doesn't matter where we are on 25th November. It matters where we are at the end of April. Most of the sides I've seen this season have been pretty ordinary. Out of the current top 7, it's only Accrington that have really got one over of us (and that was much more us being utterly awful at that point rather than them being anything special). Trips to Barrow and Wrexham were more circumstances (the early red card in the first and 2 worldies in the 2nd) but both were narrow defeats and we destroyed Notts.
There will be teams who will plummet as the season goes on (I predict Harrogate could be one of those) so it's up to us to get behind the team. If we win next Saturday, we get more funds and an opportunity to get a plum 3rd round game. This could be a real gamechanger for us.
There is no way I will accept "relegation" in November. Because no team ever gets relegated in November.
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Post by paz on Nov 26, 2023 10:32:46 GMT
For me, its all about ourselves at the moment. Its too early to predict the league yet. Of course we need points but as long as we are getting better then we will always have a chance, even if you are 10 or so points adrift, as long as you are able to pick up points then you might just do it.
We are now much harder to beat, so its not as if we have stood still. Yesderday, as with Colchester, it was a good away point, its just a shame we could not nick the three points against in form Tranmere. Hard game on Tuesday but if we are fit and ready then there is no reason why we cant keep our unbeaten run going. The players must not put too much pressure on themselves and need to just keep their eyes on working hard.
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Post by Big Al on Nov 26, 2023 12:23:29 GMT
Is anyone seriously not happy we got a point in the middle of a 500 mile round trip at a side with a decent home record? Is anyone seriously disappointed with that performance? As it currently stands we need to get 6/7 more points than the teams around us to be safe over the course of 27 games. It doesn't matter where we are on 25th November. It matters where we are at the end of April. Most of the sides I've seen this season have been pretty ordinary. Out of the current top 7, it's only Accrington that have really got one over of us (and that was much more us being utterly awful at that point rather than them being anything special). Trips to Barrow and Wrexham were more circumstances (the early red card in the first and 2 worldies in the 2nd) but both were narrow defeats and we destroyed Notts. There will be teams who will plummet as the season goes on (I predict Harrogate could be one of those) so it's up to us to get behind the team. If we win next Saturday, we get more funds and an opportunity to get a plum 3rd round game. This could be a real gamechanger for us. There is no way I will accept "relegation" in November. Because no team ever gets relegated in November. I respect the view that says we are getting better, harder to beat etc etc and, of course, in isolation a point at a difficult team a long way away is not a terrible result. However looking at this more broadly we are slowly falling further away from safety, not getting closer. I am tired of all the excuses about not having enough time to get messages across in training, injuries affecting us, dreadful refereeing decisions- these are issues faced by many other clubs not just us. The narrative that talks to is being on an unbeaten run needs to be seen in the context that recent games that we have not lost may well prove to be matches we simply had to win. Dave Brailsford, who revolutionised the culture of success in British cycling, talks about making small changes to move fine margins for success. We need to seize on our recent slight uptick to move further and turn draws to wins. I’m just not convinced Matt is the man to do that and, as an alternative view to those who think we should simply stick with the current management team whatever happens, is the other view that a new coach would get small improvements form an obviously capable set of players and have new contacts to leverage in the upcoming window.
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Post by kpinwp on Nov 26, 2023 15:48:37 GMT
Is anyone seriously not happy we got a point in the middle of a 500 mile round trip at a side with a decent home record? Is anyone seriously disappointed with that performance? As it currently stands we need to get 6/7 more points than the teams around us to be safe over the course of 27 games. It doesn't matter where we are on 25th November. It matters where we are at the end of April. Most of the sides I've seen this season have been pretty ordinary. Out of the current top 7, it's only Accrington that have really got one over of us (and that was much more us being utterly awful at that point rather than them being anything special). Trips to Barrow and Wrexham were more circumstances (the early red card in the first and 2 worldies in the 2nd) but both were narrow defeats and we destroyed Notts. There will be teams who will plummet as the season goes on (I predict Harrogate could be one of those) so it's up to us to get behind the team. If we win next Saturday, we get more funds and an opportunity to get a plum 3rd round game. This could be a real gamechanger for us. There is no way I will accept "relegation" in November. Because no team ever gets relegated in November. As Amber Aleman said, the true value of this result is perhaps best measured by its context. Under better circumstances (even slightly better) it would be a very respectable result. But that is not our context. I think that many of us are looking at the table, the fixtures we've recently played and those we have coming up before the end of the year. While there is no absolute reason why we shouldn't play as well, or better, against those who are currently showing as superior teams, compared to our results against lower level teams, it has to be odds against. Unless, closing in on half of the season gone, we consider the table to be something of a fiction? I also expect one or two teams to dip (seem to be waiting a while, mind) and I think we can continue to improve. But it's never too soon to start winning and many of us feel we are leaving it dangerously late. There is a fine line between criticism and negativity. But there can also be a fine line between praise and wishful thinking. We need to beat Crewe, at home. If we do that I'll pipe down with my worry.
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Post by Del on Nov 26, 2023 18:51:27 GMT
It only needs for us to win a few matches on the bounce to get out of the relegation zone.With another 27 matches to play i feel that will happen and of course there is the January transfer window to come. It was a good point at Grimsby and we probably should have won. They could argue that they changed their manager and couldn't beat bottom team Sutton at home!!!
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Post by Andy K on Nov 26, 2023 19:05:34 GMT
For those talking about context.
We're 4 points from safety with 27 games to go.
If there were 3/4 games to go, there would be a valid point.
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Post by Big Al on Nov 26, 2023 19:49:22 GMT
For those talking about context. We're 4 points from safety with 27 games to go. If there were 3/4 games to go, there would be a valid point. Indeed. A further element of context might be that we have now played 19 games this season - not just a handful - and in that time have amassed 13 points. If we continue at that rate we will amass around 32 points by the time the season ends. Does anybody feel confident enough to say that would be enough for us to stay up?
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Post by os on Nov 26, 2023 20:58:05 GMT
For those talking about context. We're 4 points from safety with 27 games to go. If there were 3/4 games to go, there would be a valid point. Indeed. A further element of context might be that we have now played 19 games this season - not just a handful - and in that time have amassed 13 points. If we continue at that rate we will amass around 32 points by the time the season ends. Does anybody feel confident enough to say that would be enough for us to stay up? Lets put it this way, we have stopped shipping 4 and 5's and have gained 6pts from our last 4 league matches, and are unbeaten in November (lge). If someone offered me that form going forward another 27 matches, I would grab it, as it would give us 53-54pts, and almost certain survival. We may not quite have turned the corner, by we are on the bend...
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