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Post by baboonfish on Nov 30, 2023 13:21:05 GMT
But he could play alongside Smith and knows where the back of the net is. None of this is an issue if matt stops being so stubborn and gives a 3 man midfield a proper go. The short time we played it we looked solid. The issue we have is our midfield is poor. Clay and N'guessan are IMO the weakest regular pairing we've had in a long time, probably back to conf south days. Their positioning in particular is highly suspect and has cost us several goals and offered ur opponents numerous chances. Harry is playing out of his skin bit can't be expected to do that week in week out. When N'guessan filled in at left back, Harry's work rate and better positioning immediately helped clay out too. In a three man midfield none of this is an issue. Clay and N'guessans poor positioning is less problematic because they know someone is always supposed to be sitting in front of the back 4 and challenging those central second balls and knock-downs that have become a major issue and are where most of our chances conceded are stemming from recently. It also means Harry can play in the centre without being gassed out. Patrick can play wide without having to support as much and it also suits Dion. Harry Smith is a perfect focal point. O brien is useful off the bench, while angol is just not good enough at the moment but might be OK wide left. This seems to obvious to me that 433 solves most of our problems, and u really question matts continued attempts to fit square pegs in round holes. I honestly see us winning very few games with Clay and N'guessan in the centre together as a pair, but think they're OK as a three or one of them alongside a quality CM (which we don't have without easty).
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Post by Andy K on Nov 30, 2023 13:33:01 GMT
But he could play alongside Smith and knows where the back of the net is. None of this is an issue if matt stops being so stubborn and gives a 3 man midfield a proper go. The short time we played it we looked solid. The issue we have is our midfield is poor. Clay and N'guessan are IMO the weakest regular pairing we've had in a long time, probably back to conf south days. Their positioning in particular is highly suspect and has cost us several goals and offered ur opponents numerous chances. Harry is playing out of his skin bit can't be expected to do that week in week out. When N'guessan filled in at left back, Harry's work rate and better positioning immediately helped clay out too. In a three man midfield none of this is an issue. Clay and N'guessans poor positioning is less problematic because they know someone is always supposed to be sitting in front of the back 4 and challenging those central second balls and knock-downs that have become a major issue and are where most of our chances conceded are stemming from recently. It also means Harry can play in the centre without being gassed out. Patrick can play wide without having to support as much and it also suits Dion. Harry Smith is a perfect focal point. O brien is useful off the bench, while angol is just not good enough at the moment but might be OK wide left. This seems to obvious to me that 433 solves most of our problems, and u really question matts continued attempts to fit square pegs in round holes. I honestly see us winning very few games with Clay and N'guessan in the centre together as a pair, but think they're OK as a three or one of them alongside a quality CM (which we don't have without easty). Why is my first thought reading this "sounds like this is coming from someone that hasn't watched Sutton all season" But feel free to suggest you know more than a manager who achieved the impossible and took a small non league side into the Football league, got them their highest ever finish in 125 years and took them to Wembley for the first time in 41 years.
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Post by paz on Nov 30, 2023 14:53:02 GMT
I have no issues with any of our signings. N'Guessian has been a very good signing IMO. And I have even heard people have a pop at Smith!!? (hits head)
I think the positional issues have been all over the pitch and yes Eastmond has been a great interceptor of the ball for us which we have missed, but is not getting any younger himself. I also think the ageing of Milsom means we have lacked his experience at the back. I am sure we will get some more good games out of him but he can only dish out so much.
we are trying to pass the ball more and mix up play more than we used to and this appears to be where we have come undone at times. N'Guessian has had some great games for us and I could not really call Clay a poor signing either.
In fact, I could not fault any of the new signings, especially as their work rate has been very good of late, if you take away the Salford and one or two other games. I think Kizzi is too fit for his own good and we keep having to play him all over the park to cover, this often does not bring the best out of him, but you have to admire how he does a job us.
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Post by kpinwp on Nov 30, 2023 15:11:25 GMT
I have no issues with any of our signings. N'Guessian has been a very good signing IMO. And I have even heard people have a pop at Smith!!? (hits head) I think the positional issues have been all over the pitch and yes Eastmond has been a great interceptor of the ball for us which we have missed, but is not getting any younger himself. I also think the ageing of Milsom means we have lacked his experience at the back. I am sure we will get some more good games out of him but he can only dish out so much. we are trying to pass the ball more and mix up play more than we used to and this appears to be where we have come undone at times. N'Guessian has had some great games for us and I could not really call Clay a poor signing either. In fact, I could not fault any of the new signings, especially as their work rate has been very good of late, if you take away the Salford and one or two other games. I think Kizzi is too fit for his own good and we keep having to play him all over the park to cover, this often does not bring the best out of him, but you have to admire how he does a job us. We certainly overplayed Kizzi last season and that does seems to be happening again. Albeit I see that it's not reasonless.
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Post by davethegrave on Nov 30, 2023 20:15:08 GMT
In recent times I've noticed the negative comments coming from certain people who sell various products on our behalf. I remember challenging one of them once.
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Post by baboonfish on Dec 1, 2023 11:18:55 GMT
None of this is an issue if matt stops being so stubborn and gives a 3 man midfield a proper go. The short time we played it we looked solid. The issue we have is our midfield is poor. Clay and N'guessan are IMO the weakest regular pairing we've had in a long time, probably back to conf south days. Their positioning in particular is highly suspect and has cost us several goals and offered ur opponents numerous chances. Harry is playing out of his skin bit can't be expected to do that week in week out. When N'guessan filled in at left back, Harry's work rate and better positioning immediately helped clay out too. In a three man midfield none of this is an issue. Clay and N'guessans poor positioning is less problematic because they know someone is always supposed to be sitting in front of the back 4 and challenging those central second balls and knock-downs that have become a major issue and are where most of our chances conceded are stemming from recently. It also means Harry can play in the centre without being gassed out. Patrick can play wide without having to support as much and it also suits Dion. Harry Smith is a perfect focal point. O brien is useful off the bench, while angol is just not good enough at the moment but might be OK wide left. This seems to obvious to me that 433 solves most of our problems, and u really question matts continued attempts to fit square pegs in round holes. I honestly see us winning very few games with Clay and N'guessan in the centre together as a pair, but think they're OK as a three or one of them alongside a quality CM (which we don't have without easty). Why is my first thought reading this "sounds like this is coming from someone that hasn't watched Sutton all season" But feel free to suggest you know more than a manager who achieved the impossible and took a small non league side into the Football league, got them their highest ever finish in 125 years and took them to Wembley for the first time in 41 years. I've seen more than enough of clay and N'guessan together to see they are a weak pairing. I'm not saying either is necessarily a bad player, but as a two they don't work. If pushed I'd lay most of the blame on N'guessan as we had the same issues with Gape and him. With Harry in the middle on tue, clay looked better because there weren't holes all over the place. When N'guessan went off against fylde at half time, we turned it around. He's decent on the ball and has other attributes, but he's continually in the wrong position defensively, and IMO a liability in a two man midfield. Matts stellar past performance is exactly that. In the past. We are bottom of the league and except for maybe overtaking forest green, I don't see that changing much with N'guessan and clay together in a 2. With a central 3, we're less likely to concede and have the same chances of nicking a set piece goal, which seems to be our biggest threat. I believe matts stubbornness with his tactical system will be our downfall this season, but happy to be proven wrong. After all, I am unlikely to be here in another 123 years.
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Post by Amber Aleman on Dec 1, 2023 11:33:31 GMT
I'd simply add that on the rare occasions that Matt has departed from 4-4-2, it's not worked. He tried 4-5-1 at Orient last season, and we lost 2-0. He tried it at home to Salford this season; we lost that one 2-0 too, in one of our most abject performances since joining the EFL.
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Post by Del on Dec 1, 2023 11:45:59 GMT
You have to have the players that suit his system of playing and i'm sure that the recruitment the club does ties in with the system.
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Post by Andy K on Dec 1, 2023 21:02:19 GMT
Why is my first thought reading this "sounds like this is coming from someone that hasn't watched Sutton all season" But feel free to suggest you know more than a manager who achieved the impossible and took a small non league side into the Football league, got them their highest ever finish in 125 years and took them to Wembley for the first time in 41 years. I've seen more than enough of clay and N'guessan together to see they are a weak pairing. I'm not saying either is necessarily a bad player, but as a two they don't work. If pushed I'd lay most of the blame on N'guessan as we had the same issues with Gape and him. With Harry in the middle on tue, clay looked better because there weren't holes all over the place. When N'guessan went off against fylde at half time, we turned it around. He's decent on the ball and has other attributes, but he's continually in the wrong position defensively, and IMO a liability in a two man midfield. Matts stellar past performance is exactly that. In the past. We are bottom of the league and except for maybe overtaking forest green, I don't see that changing much with N'guessan and clay together in a 2. With a central 3, we're less likely to concede and have the same chances of nicking a set piece goal, which seems to be our biggest threat. I believe matts stubbornness with his tactical system will be our downfall this season, but happy to be proven wrong. After all, I am unlikely to be here in another 123 years. And you've totally ignored the fact that the pairing would have hardly played together if our captain didn't have a long term injury. I've also seen more than enough to suggest that either player are not as good as Eastmond, but then who is? You've also ignored the fact that the majority of our goals this season we've conceded invariably have not come through the centre. This isn't his "stubborness". This is a manager who knows what he's doing getting players in to play a system, but having new recruits struggling to understand that system and a group of players already well versed in the system losing form. It's pretty obvious over the last 6 weeks we're past that. We've got injuries all over the shop and the very last thing we can do in a short period of time is to radically change any system. That's certain to produce bad results.
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Post by baboonfish on Dec 2, 2023 10:19:28 GMT
I'd simply add that on the rare occasions that Matt has departed from 4-4-2, it's not worked. He tried 4-5-1 at Orient last season, and we lost 2-0. He tried it at home to Salford this season; we lost that one 2-0 too, in one of our most abject performances since joining the EFL. Orient last season we competed well with a very good side. Salford, I don't think anyone really knows what formation that was supposed to be, it was a shambles, and kasimu up front alone is a million miles from Smith. That was never going to work. We also switched to a 3 man midfield when we conceded the equaliser against mk dons and looked very solid. We've lost the midfield battle by some distance in most games I've seen this season, including the last two home games. Which area of the pitch the goals ultimately come from is not the point. When a team is constantly struggling to retain possession in central areas and pick up/challenge second balls, the oppo will get chances. Harry b on the left has helped solidify us defensively on that side but pushes the problems to another area of the pitch. Wrong answer to the right question, because Harry is currently our best fit CM by some distance and we need him in the middle.
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