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Post by paz on Dec 26, 2023 23:01:42 GMT
Two more performances and results like that in the next 2 games, and I think we'll put the "New manager thread" to bed. He has showed right away that he is not afraid to call shots, managed todays game very well with players not fully fit and the team look like they are happy to play under him. Personally, given how we played and keeping our finances into perspective, I think giving the current staff the job until the end of the season, with a little support this Jan, might actually be the sensible option, it would be fantastic news if it can work. Lets not forget Jason is no mug, and has had 2 1/2 seasons closely working with Matt in league 2 so is familiar with the league and our players. But yes, maybe jumping too soon.
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Post by Andy K on Dec 27, 2023 9:04:52 GMT
I understand what you’re saying but don’t necessarily think that a couple of players throwing a strop means the whole dressing room felt the same way. However agree that a couple pulling in a different direction can be very disruptive and unsettle the whole team and undermine confidence which we’ve definitely seen in the last 2 matches. To be totally honest, I think you're spot on and we saw that with Omar last season.
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Post by Big Al on Jan 1, 2024 21:05:44 GMT
I had really hoped we would have a new manager by now. Relieving Matt of his responsibilities was really not about ‘getting rid of Gray’ but was about bringing in new ideas and someone who could have fresh contacts and connections. Sure we have seen some improvements under Jason but nowhere near enough to suggest a turn around of the dimensions we need.
I had presumed that the Board at least had some ideas about a replacement before they sacked Matt - after all it’s not like we have had a sudden dive in form - we have been pretty dreadful consistently for 12 months now.
Moving onfrom Matt was only half the job, we need a replacement and fast else the window will be closed and, for me, that is not Jason
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Post by paz on Jan 1, 2024 21:29:39 GMT
I had really hoped we would have a new manager by now. Relieving Matt of his responsibilities was really not about ‘getting rid of Gray’ but was about bringing in new ideas and someone who could have fresh contacts and connections. Sure we have seen some improvements under Jason but nowhere near enough to suggest a turn around of the dimensions we need. I had presumed that the Board at least had some ideas about a replacement before they sacked Matt - after all it’s not like we have had a sudden dive in form - we have been pretty dreadful consistently for 12 months now. Moving onfrom Matt was only half the job, we need a replacement and fast else the window will be closed and, for me, that is not Jason Out of interest, what would you expect the new manager to do that would turn things around to such a high degree that we would stay up?
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Post by kpinwp on Jan 1, 2024 21:56:32 GMT
I had really hoped we would have a new manager by now. Relieving Matt of his responsibilities was really not about ‘getting rid of Gray’ but was about bringing in new ideas and someone who could have fresh contacts and connections. Sure we have seen some improvements under Jason but nowhere near enough to suggest a turn around of the dimensions we need. I had presumed that the Board at least had some ideas about a replacement before they sacked Matt - after all it’s not like we have had a sudden dive in form - we have been pretty dreadful consistently for 12 months now. Moving onfrom Matt was only half the job, we need a replacement and fast else the window will be closed and, for me, that is not Jason Out of interest, what would you expect the new manager to do that would turn things around to such a high degree that we would stay up? To be fair to Big Al, I think he's actually been as specific about that (in his first para) as he needs to be to illustrate the point. It's not like he's applying for the post.
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Post by Big Al on Jan 1, 2024 22:27:11 GMT
OK to expand. I believe a new manager installed in time to maximise the opportunity presented by the window, would bring in a whole new network of contacts who he could work to bring in personnel on loan if necessary in the key areas where we have obviously fallen short - midfield for example.
I also believe that the current squad is actually not a million miles from being competitive at this level and a new coach would deploy different tactics, ideas and approaches to that which we have seen this season. To be frank Jason can not tick any of these boxes in my opinion as he is part of the old regime. Whilst we have seen more endeavour and application since he took the interim role havewe seen any significant new approach to game plan etc.? Nor do our results justify him being given the role. Just my opinion….
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Post by davethegrave on Jan 1, 2024 22:32:57 GMT
Seriously I don't expect a new permanent manager before the end of the season.
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Post by paz on Jan 1, 2024 22:56:18 GMT
OK to expand. I believe a new manager installed in time to maximise the opportunity presented by the window, would bring in a whole new network of contacts who he could work to bring in personnel on loan if necessary in the key areas where we have obviously fallen short - midfield for example. I also believe that the current squad is actually not a million miles from being competitive at this level and a new coach would deploy different tactics, ideas and approaches to that which we have seen this season. To be frank Jason can not tick any of these boxes in my opinion as he is part of the old regime. Whilst we have seen more endeavour and application since he took the interim role havewe seen any significant new approach to game plan etc.? Nor do our results justify him being given the role. Just my opinion…. Ok I see. Well I would agree that getting in a new guy with big contacts who can perhaps get some heavy duty loans, could have a big impact, and also perhaps a big name to come in till the end of the season could give the place a big lift. But if we go along those lines we are also looking at quite a big investment, as such contacts, I imagine, would not come cheap. Given he would still need to work with the majority of this team who he wont be familiar with, it may still fail. And if it fails then it would also be an expensive relegation, this would be my concern.
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Post by Big Al on Jan 2, 2024 7:49:58 GMT
I guess my point is the Board have only done half the job at the moment. We have removed the Manager but not done anything to change the management. I’’m not suggesting a suicidal investment of massive funds we don’t have but I do believe the consequences of relegation this year will have potentially catastrophic consequences for the club - we won’t just be able to revert to ‘plucky non league Sutton’ as we will have committed massive funds to our league 2 journey that will not have been recouped in our short stay.
I think it’s incumbent on the Board to do everything they can to retain our status and believe that if we didn’t have a plan for a new manager to come in then we should simply have kept Matt.
Before people scream me down I should say I have faith the Board are doing all they can and doubtless there are multiple conversations ongoing that we are not privy to.
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Post by Andy K on Jan 2, 2024 9:41:37 GMT
If we'd won yesterday, I would have suggested that Jason would have been installed as manager, rather than just a caretaker/interim. It would have been 6 points out of 9 in the holiday period and one could argue that it could have been more if we had 11 men at Gillingham for 90 mins. That would have been some turnaround.
Regardless of results, I think there has been enough on display (in difficult circumstances with injuries) to suggest that we do indeed have a squad that is capable for a fight to stay up.
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Post by davethegrave on Jan 2, 2024 10:31:12 GMT
I think that the FA Cup tie will decide things for the board. It's not a "must win" game and gives a bit of breathing space to see how we perform.
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Post by Andy K on Jan 2, 2024 11:11:05 GMT
Rooney now sacked at Birmingham.
Not that I think he will come to Sutton, but it does mean that the names mentioned, if we are looking at those, suddenly have a more attractive job offer, in additon to sides like Salford.
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Post by andycapp on Jan 2, 2024 11:12:24 GMT
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Post by davef on Jan 2, 2024 11:14:58 GMT
More chance of Matt taking over at Birmingham!
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Post by paz on Jan 2, 2024 11:19:02 GMT
I guess my point is the Board have only done half the job at the moment. We have removed the Manager but not done anything to change the management. I’’m not suggesting a suicidal investment of massive funds we don’t have but I do believe the consequences of relegation this year will have potentially catastrophic consequences for the club - we won’t just be able to revert to ‘plucky non league Sutton’ as we will have committed massive funds to our league 2 journey that will not have been recouped in our short stay. I think it’s incumbent on the Board to do everything they can to retain our status and believe that if we didn’t have a plan for a new manager to come in then we should simply have kept Matt. Before people scream me down I should say I have faith the Board are doing all they can and doubtless there are multiple conversations ongoing that we are not privy to. Fair play. I do think that Matts sacking was not just about a significant change in style, but was perhaps more about cutting off a break down in manager and player communication. Which means that the sacking in it's self has allowed the air to clear and freshen the team talk up. This is why perhaps Jason is a good option IMO, no mug and knows this league, not a drastic change for the players who are already under big pressure, and we have already seen that he has applied him self differently with quite a positive effect. So while it is still risky I would understand if they went this rout and invested perhaps in a good signing. This next couple weeks are huge really. As he will now have more time training the players, so can have more influence, though if a new manager comes in they have the opportunity now to train the team for 2 weeks before our next league match, and possibly make a singing. So I agree if a new guy comes in it needs to be quick.
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